"Excelsior, you son of a bitch." @tegan_oneil5000 with a "neither an apologist nor a denialist" take on Stan Lee that is really the only correct one in the end. https://www.tcj.com/what-he-taught-me …
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Gary just called him a creative nonentity, for example. it's not an unpopular position, particular as regards writing off the figurehead thing as pure fraud rather than establishing the gestalt of the work which is what so many people found appealing enough to bring them to Kirby
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i'm not gonna mention any names because I don't actually want to discuss it with them but these folks are not hard to find
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