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    1. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @mattyglesias

      There's nothing paternalistic, we-know-better and we must subject the common people to rules we don't have to follow about conservative positions on, say, abortion.

      3 replies 1 retweet 30 likes
    2. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

      But even that depends on the framing of the issue. Conservatives see abortion as an issue of protecting the innocent and helpless, liberals see it as conservatives trying to control women's bodies.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

      On the other hand, liberals see a lot of social welfare programs as trying to protect the innocent and helpless, conservatives see it as liberals trying to do things with other peoples money.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

      [Sadly, in my opinion, conservatives have gotten way too comfortable doing *other* things with other peoples' money since we've largely failed to cut gov't spending, which I admit undercuts some of our positions.]

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @mattyglesias

      Pro-tip: in life, it's good to judge people by their actual behavior, not their professed ideals.

      1 reply 2 retweets 16 likes
    6. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

      Of course... and those I know who are pro-life (or anti-choice in your framing) value life tremendously and believe strongly in adoption, helping unwed mothers, etc. I am sure you profess the same experience in your circle of pro-choice friends.

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    7. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

      Another pro-tip is that it's good to not judge people based on preconceived notions about their behavior based on a perception of their professed ideals.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

      Your pro-tip was phrased much better than mine, btw.

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    10. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018

      "banning abortion" is no more "paternalistic" than "banning" other forms of killing. it only becomes "paternalistic" if you do not believe the life being protected is worthy of protection.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 29 Oct 2018
      Replying to @JerylBier @mattyglesias

      This is only true if you think women don't deserve bodily autonomy.

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        1. Chance Gardener‏ @ChanceBGardener 29 Oct 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @JerylBier @mattyglesias

          Of course they do. We discussing what that means.

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        1. Chance Gardener‏ @ChanceBGardener 29 Oct 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @JerylBier @mattyglesias

          Cis-gendered man insists only women get pregnant. Are you sure you’re still in good standing on the left?

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        2. Jeryl Bier‏Verified account @JerylBier 29 Oct 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

          and this is only true if you don't think the unborn deserve protection of their bodily autonomy, something they are in no position to defend themselves

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        3. Holden‏ @Holden114 29 Oct 2018
          Replying to @JerylBier @HeerJeet @mattyglesias

          There are those who believe the unborn are persons, deserving of life, etc. and that the woman's bodily autonomy supersedes their right to life.

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        2. CAJ‏ @ukcj4 29 Oct 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @JerylBier @mattyglesias

          This is such a bad and misleading argument. No reasonable person denies a woman has bodily autonomy up until the point she voluntarily and knowingly undertakes an act that results in another living body becoming a part of and dependent on her body.

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 29 Oct 2018
          Replying to @ukcj4 @JerylBier @mattyglesias

          "voluntarily and knowingly" suggests that you are not aware of the existence of rape, birth control failure, or unwanted pregnancy in general. You might want to educate yourself before speaking further.

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