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    1. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      1. in terms of these "should they be fired for their tweets & bad opinions" controversies, the one I remain most conflicted about -- I mean genuinely torn -- is Quinn Norton.

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    2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      2. Here Norton makes the case that she was the victim of context collapse. There's a smidgen of truth to that but it's more complicated. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/the-new-york-times-fired-my-doppelganger/554402/ …

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    3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      3. With Norton, there are some genuine principles in conflict: a) she's talented b) she would've brought a much needed radical perspective to Times c) she has very crackpot/wrong-headed ideas about Nazis. That last point needs to be unpacked.

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    4. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      4. Her crackpot idea is that Nazis should be befriended by non-Nazis & also it's possible for Nazi to be otherwise a good person. Also it's okay to throw around racist & homophobic slurs as part of internet engaging with people on internet.

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    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      5. I think the most charitable possible view of Norton's thinking on Nazis is that it is super-naive. It comes from a place of extreme, radical innocence.

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    6. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      6. Being charitable, we can say that Norton thought it was possible to befriend Nazis & talk with them in their own language without being effected. Her assumption was she could pull them to her, not that they would drag her down. Which is naive & wrong but not vile.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 2 Aug 2018

      7. The question then becomes (if we accept the most charitable possible view of Norton) whether being super-naive is firing offense. When you're job includes writing on politics (as she was going to) I think it is.

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        2. John Hong‏ @John_Hong 2 Aug 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          I mean I don't think that "it's possible for a Nazi to otherwise be a good person" is naive—I'm sure many neo-Nazis raise their kids well and hold doors open, but the distinction is that having that belief should regardless disqualify you from a platform at the New York Times.

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        3. TimS‏ @TimSEsq 2 Aug 2018
          Replying to @John_Hong

          That's a strange definition of good person. Serial killers don't kill everyone they meet. They probably did something more helpful than opening does for more folks than they killed. Sometimes, it's a deliberate strategy to avoid suspicion. They are still bad people.

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        1. jack bussell‏ @jtbussell 2 Aug 2018
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          And yet here you are something something

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        1. InsideJoke‏ @JO_clever_KE 2 Aug 2018
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          The missing piece in your analysis is that she probably spent a lot of time on 4chan and got used to the culture.

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        2. Alon‏ @alon_levy 2 Aug 2018
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          I don't think the bland-ass people the NYT hires in lieu of Quinn, Sarah Jeong, etc. are a great way to sell either, but what do I know.

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        1. rave green development‏ @TheSpicyCurry 2 Aug 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          The real question is why don't any of these editorial boards get feedback before hiring people. These weren't referendums on whether norton et al. should be fired, but whether they should be hired in the first place.

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        2. muddlewait‏ @muddlewait 2 Aug 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          She's not naive. She's idealistic. She genuinely thinks being idealisic is utilitarian. It's a viewpoint worthy of respect, even if the results it has aren't what most people - even she, sometimes - find immediately rewarding.

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        3. muddlewait‏ @muddlewait 2 Aug 2018
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          It's also worth noting that taking that Times job is one time she actually compromised on her principles to try and make a more publicly accepted kind of difference, and boy did it not pay off

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        2. Alon‏ @alon_levy 2 Aug 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          Ad her using the word fag, she is queer. And ad "I consider Weev a friend," the article in which she says that gives a lot of context.

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        3. Alon‏ @alon_levy 2 Aug 2018
          Replying to @alon_levy @HeerJeet

          He was unjustly jailed for something that had nothing to do with his being a Nazi; she defended him and sent him a book in prison.

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