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    1. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018

      2/It's true that many of the people we call "Enlightenment" thinkers - Kant, Hume, etc. - said racist things. But does that mean those racist things are part of "the Enlightenment"? Pinker et al. would say "no".

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    2. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018

      3/Now, that argument - i.e. that "the Enlightenment" represents a set of good ideas that we moderns get to pick and choose - has a flavor of "No True Scotsman" to it. It's not fair to defend an ideology by limiting its definition to the subset that we feel is defensible!

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    3. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018

      4/But it IS a worthwhile exercise to distill good ideas from historical intellectual movements, while discarding the bad ones. Ideas should not be package deals. We should get to choose which lessons we learn and which we repudiate. Otherwise, philosophy becomes religion.

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    4. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018

      5/So Pinker et al. SHOULD get to define "The Enlightenment" to exclude the racism of Kant, Hume, etc., as long as they make it clear that this is what they're doing. And doing this should disallow Pinker et al. from making arguments-from-authority.

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    5. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018

      6/Now, it ALSO might be the case that even the Enlightenment ideas that Pinker praises might be inextricably bound up with racism. But I don't think Bouie (or Heer) has made that case successfully, yet.

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    7. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018
      Replying to @UpsetPatterns @jbouie @HeerJeet

      Jamelle wrote: "Race as we understand it—a biological taxonomy that turns physical difference into relations of domination—is a product of the Enlightenment."

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    8. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Noahpinion @UpsetPatterns and

      Now, if you define "the Enlightenment" as a historical time period, or as the sum of all statements by Kant, Hume, etc., then this might be true. But if you define "the Enlightenment" as the subset of ideas Pinker advances, then this also might be true, but needs more evidence.

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    10. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018

      I dealt with this in my thread. I think it's a good thing to be able to pick and choose what we like from idea-packages, as long as we make clear that that's what we're doing, and avoid argument-from-authority.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 6 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Noahpinion @UpsetPatterns @jbouie

      If you are picking and choosing then why call your package The Enlightenment (a name used for something else for many decades). If this is just a branding exercise, come up with a new label.

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        1. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 6 Jun 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @UpsetPatterns @jbouie

          I guess. I think in practice, most of us end up endlessly recycling and redefining old labels ("liberalism", "socialism", "Keynesianism", etc. etc.). It can get irritating, but I think it's pretty standard practice.

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