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Professor in exile. Biologist. Seeker and communicator of truths. Spends time in the Amazon. Rhymes with flying.

Portland, OR
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    Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 20

    Women report not “getting up the nerve” to ask questions, so researchers propose that “question time be unlimited” at scientific talks. Because, you know, time is a construct. If you won’t hang around waiting for others to speak, you must be a misogynist.https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202743 …

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      2. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 20
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying

        Heh. They sort of tentatively propose it but then back away from it realizing it's unworkable.

        2 replies 1 retweet 35 likes
      3. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 20
        Replying to @CathyYoung63

        Well, it’s in their Discusion, so they are advocating for it. And their favored intervention is having a woman always ask the first question after a talk, which is even worse, at both a social engineering level, and a truth-seeking level.

        2 replies 5 retweets 74 likes
      4. Oscar Emerson‏ @oscar_t_emerson Oct 20
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying @CathyYoung63

        Note the paternalistic attitude of all of this. Feminism sure operates by the rules of male-hyperagency, and female-hypoagency. I mean, we could address the problem with assertiveness training, but alas, feminists seem to want their comfortable hypoagency.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying

        So infantalising. It's credible that women are less confident about asking questions but the solution to that is for them to push themselves to do it if it matters to them. Confidence will not increase by softening challenges. Women have to be able to compete with men.

        14 replies 23 retweets 295 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HeatherEHeying

        Then people accuse me of expecting all women to be as confident as me but I had real panic attacks before my first Battle of Ideas last year. Had to see Dr. You might remember how nervous I still was in February. Just did 3 panels at BOI & 4 live radio shows calmly & confidently.

        2 replies 5 retweets 80 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HeatherEHeying

        I'd be supportive of initiatives to help women be more outspoken if they were confidence building classes to prepare for competing equally. Was delighted my university just held a seminar on overcoming wage gap for women which was tips on negotiating salary and raises.

        1 reply 4 retweets 67 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HeatherEHeying

        Obv, this kind of thing should also be open to nervous or socially awkward men tho.

        6 replies 4 retweets 59 likes
      6. Rick Haack‏ @HaackRick Oct 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose @HeatherEHeying

        Helen, I wrote your comment down from an event you did with Heather, Peter, and James in Portland last year. May not be word for word: "If we are assuming the choices men make as the ultimate best choices, we are making men the default humans, which is sexist and infantilizing...

        2 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
      7. Rebecca Tun  🥀‏ @rebeccatun Oct 20
        Replying to @HaackRick @HPluckrose @HeatherEHeying

        I was reminded of this point too - which I feel isn’t really being echoed in what you’re saying now, Helen. I don’t think unlimited question time sounds like a great solution but nor do I think the answer is that women just have to learn to act like men to compete.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 21
        Replying to @rebeccatun @HaackRick @HeatherEHeying

        Realistically, we do, I'm afraid. We can't socially engineer situations in which more women struggle so they don't. When I say that women don't have to make the same choices as men to be worthwhile, I still think they have to bear the consequences of those choices - eg lower pay.

        1 reply 1 retweet 10 likes
      9. Rick Haack‏ @HaackRick Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose @rebeccatun @HeatherEHeying

        Yes, and if I remember the discussion correctly, Helen, you followed up the "men-default human" premise with the idea: it follows therefore that if women aren't making the same choices men are, they're doing something wrong or have fallen prey to malicious patriarchy programming.

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      2. Marco Ballesteros‏ @BadHombreMarcoB Oct 20
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying

        It's also racist to expect some people from certain cultures to be on time. If they're late, it's cultural enrichment.https://dailycaller.com/2017/04/12/public-universitys-diversity-training-expecting-people-to-show-up-on-time-is-racist/ …

        2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
      3. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 20
        Replying to @BadHombreMarcoB

        Oh ffs. Who, I wonder, thinks that is educational or in any way good for anybody? It’s the ever more profitable “equity and inclusion” racket, making a tidy profit at everyone else’s expense.

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      2. Keiko‏ @keikoinboston Oct 20
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying

        Women don’t wish to speak up and ask questions so men shouldn’t be allowed to ask questions? 🤔 How will the audience benefit from fewer questions being asked?

        1 reply 0 retweets 19 likes
      3. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 20
        Replying to @keikoinboston

        Maybe they can spend the time doing something more productive than sitting in a room policed by people who don’t respect logic or science? There’s a disparity! Therefore let’s go full Harrison Bergeron on the system and handicap the people who ask questions. That’ll teach ‘em.

        1 reply 1 retweet 20 likes
      4. Mark Schirmer‏ @MarkSchirmer4 Oct 20
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying @keikoinboston

        Maybe men should be required to sit gagged and shackled so they can learn the feeling of oppression.

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      5. Conan Moore‏ @disitinerant Oct 20
        Replying to @MarkSchirmer4 @HeatherEHeying @keikoinboston

        I went to Evergreen, and I some classes (never in Heather's), there was a lot of pressure for White men to resist participating in seminars designed for student participation. We were required to attend, but asked to be quiet. The unintended effect was that White men...

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      6. Conan Moore‏ @disitinerant Oct 20
        Replying to @disitinerant @MarkSchirmer4 and

        ... like me learned to speak concisely to take up less space, improving our communication skills, whereas other students tended to ramble about their feelings, expecting validation. I suspect white men were better prepared for the real world in such an environment than others.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Mark Schirmer‏ @MarkSchirmer4 Oct 20
        Replying to @disitinerant @HeatherEHeying @keikoinboston

        I suspect you are wrong. There is no need to do that because you are a white man. Everyone should be encouraged to develop those traits. Spend some time with a socratic professor in a contracts class.

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      8. Conan Moore‏ @disitinerant Oct 20
        Replying to @MarkSchirmer4 @HeatherEHeying @keikoinboston

        Yes, it had a similar effect to that, I suspect. Not sure what you mean about being a white man. I've never lived above the poverty line.

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      9. Mark Schirmer‏ @MarkSchirmer4 Oct 20
        Replying to @disitinerant @HeatherEHeying @keikoinboston

        Conan, you brought up how Evergreen treated "white men," not me.

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