Killing for sport is reprehensible. (Hunting for food is not.)
Killing for sport, having made yourself immune from danger, makes the word “sport” generous and unjustified.
Killing elephants for sport—who love, grieve, teach their young—is beyond the pale.
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So, "hardware" implies that they are incapable of suffering, like Descartes animal machines? Or do you mean that the suffering is different, not qualifying for moral consideration?
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They don't have memory of suffering, another salmon dying next to them doesn't even register. They don't shift their behavior around particular events that might qualify as emotional.
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That might not be true. I'm not really competent enough to understand the paper below, but it suggest that growth-stunted salmon in farming is because of chronic stress. If that is true, I would call that emotional suffering.http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/3/5/160030 …
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There can be no doubt that salmon - despite their lack of memory - feel pain. This begs the question: do they suffer? Therein lies the dilemma. There is too much conflicting info on fish, pain, and ethics for me -a current pescatarian - to be totally comfortable eating them.
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Does it really matter? So what if a salmon can't suffer and only feel pain. How much pain is ok? For how long? If there's no need to cause either pain or suffering, then why should we?
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My friend, I am with you. My move into veganism has been steady but is incomplete. It’s part of a longer conversation requiring many more characters than Twitter allows, but your point is taken.
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Sorry if I came across as angry. English is not my first language. I don't identify as a vegan myself. Veganish perhaps. I'm just trying to make wise choices.
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Not a problem. It's a tough issue.
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It seems to me that causing suffering is what is wrong. Fish are immensely more capable of suffering as compared to invertebrates, and the gulf between humans and elephants is comparably gigantic. Any line drawn between levels of 'programming' seems arbitrary at best.
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Charismatic megafauna
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Salmon are social, but not in an appreciable way like elephants. Whether we like it or not, best way to keep endangered animals around is adding profit motive. There’s incentive to keep the species around and protected. If that involves selling a few expensive licenses so be it
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Don't see how humans are different at all lol. Because we learn over time? Big whoop
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