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Professor in exile. Biologist. Seeker and communicator of truths. Spends time in the Amazon. Rhymes with flying.

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    Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 19

    Heather E Heying Retweeted Yashar Ali  🐘

    Killing for sport is reprehensible. (Hunting for food is not.) Killing for sport, having made yourself immune from danger, makes the word “sport” generous and unjustified. Killing elephants for sport—who love, grieve, teach their young—is beyond the pale. HT @NAChristakishttps://twitter.com/yashar/status/1053052215395418113 …

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    NEW: Elephants charge at hunters after they shoot and kill a member of the herd in Namibia. https://dailym.ai/2PHc08k  pic.twitter.com/mYG7HE4O7d
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      2. Bret Weinstein‏Verified account @BretWeinstein Oct 19
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying @NAChristakis

        I would amend this slightly. Killing highly intelligent species with complex social bonds for sport is barbaric. Even more so in front of their kin.

        72 replies 136 retweets 1,000 likes
      3. Probullstats‏ @Probullstats Oct 19
        Replying to @BretWeinstein @HeatherEHeying @NAChristakis

        Actually, hunting has demonstrable mental health benefits. And I mean the act of hunting, not killing. This becomes less true commensurate to how commercialized a form hunting takes (hunting as TV, hunting as competitive sport, paying guides, etc.). for example.... 1/2

        2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      4. Probullstats‏ @Probullstats Oct 19
        Replying to @Probullstats @BretWeinstein and

        If you walk into the wilderness with a bow and some camping gear and spend a few days hunting, it will become obvious that it is far healthier than most of the alternative ways you could spend that time. It's like going back to our roots as human beings whether or not you kill.

        1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
      5. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 19
        Replying to @Probullstats @BretWeinstein @NAChristakis

        I believe that you are right, at least for some people. I have many friends who are hunters, who have shared the meat of their kills with me and mine, which I appreciate more than buying meat at a store. I don’t hunt, but I do understand the appeal of many aspects of it.

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      2. Kenneth Slayor‏ @Jaqaliah Oct 19
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying @NAChristakis

        I have known of sports hunters to be called in to hunt out of season, by the Conservation Department, because a herd of deer was suffering malnutrition, starvation, and disease due to overcrowding. Sport hunting protects the quality of life of these herds.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 19
        Replying to @Jaqaliah @NAChristakis

        Deer, especially in North America, have had their predators systematically killed off by humans. Also, we eat deer meat--or at least we can, and when deer are killed, we should. There are a few ways that this (hunting African elephants) is a different situation.

        2 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
      4. Another Warm Body‏ @body_warm Oct 19
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying @Jaqaliah @NAChristakis

        I don't know for sure this is what was going on, but some of these 'hunts' are population control measures. It looks like in this area, two elephants per year are taken. It's not pretty, but hunting/big game mgmt in Africa is so screwed up, good practices can look pretty bad.

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      5. Another Warm Body‏ @body_warm Oct 19
        Replying to @body_warm @HeatherEHeying and

        Many times, the meat is given to locals, and the value brought in by foreigners coming in to 'hunt' the animals is enough to get local buy-in for antipoaching measures. Again, I don't know the specifics of this one, but I think it's important not to paint with too broad a brush.

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      2. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 19
        Replying to @banbadbit @NAChristakis

        I'm sorry. I think it may have ruined mine, too.

        4 replies 0 retweets 33 likes
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      2. Joe S‏ @JoeSmit84460720 Oct 19
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying

        I think if they were killing the elephant for food you would have the same negative reaction to it

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 19
        Replying to @JoeSmit84460720

        True. My standards for what should not be hunted for food are fairly clear (although the boundaries can be discussed): Long-lived, socially-complex animals that live in multi-generational groups and pass information on not just within their lineages but between--not food.

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      2. Heather E Heying‏ @HeatherEHeying Oct 19

        I agree with you. The two lives are not equivalent--that feels like climbing on a slippery slope, but it is true. Salmon are not social, are not cultural, are running mostly on programs they had on-board at birth. They are hardware. Elephants--like us--are largely software.

        5 replies 1 retweet 67 likes
      3. Lillasyster Mats‏ @Matsen75 Oct 19
        Replying to @HeatherEHeying @NAChristakis

        So, "hardware" implies that they are incapable of suffering, like Descartes animal machines? Or do you mean that the suffering is different, not qualifying for moral consideration?

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. szspagna‏ @szspagna Oct 19
        Replying to @Matsen75 @HeatherEHeying and

        They don't have memory of suffering, another salmon dying next to them doesn't even register. They don't shift their behavior around particular events that might qualify as emotional.

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      5. Lillasyster Mats‏ @Matsen75 Oct 19
        Replying to @szspagna @HeatherEHeying @NAChristakis

        That might not be true. I'm not really competent enough to understand the paper below, but it suggest that growth-stunted salmon in farming is because of chronic stress. If that is true, I would call that emotional suffering.http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/3/5/160030 …

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. David Curcio‏ @SlugfestBoston Oct 20
        Replying to @Matsen75 @szspagna and

        There can be no doubt that salmon - despite their lack of memory - feel pain. This begs the question: do they suffer? Therein lies the dilemma. There is too much conflicting info on fish, pain, and ethics for me -a current pescatarian - to be totally comfortable eating them.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Lillasyster Mats‏ @Matsen75 Oct 20
        Replying to @SlugfestBoston @szspagna and

        Does it really matter? So what if a salmon can't suffer and only feel pain. How much pain is ok? For how long? If there's no need to cause either pain or suffering, then why should we?

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