This is basically what happened to mainstream conservatism when it encountered modern progressivism. They just didn't have the tools to counter it, and many have succumbed or become cuckservatives
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Replying to @HbdNrx @thealthype
depends on the years, but mainstream conservatism never had great ideas. Obvious in hindsight that fusionism was an incoherent cold-war compromise held together by the Soviet Union.
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The founding idea of conservatism was that institutions & practices that have evolved over centuries have withstood the test of experience, whereas the utopian schemes of radicals have not, so the utopian scheme is almost certainly wrong, whereas custom is probably mostly right.
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I think that is a strong idea, but other ideas are flawed. Religious arguments for conservatism, for instance, are obviously useless against secularists. Also, many ideas that modern conservatives have accepted are actually radical, and undermine conservatism.
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Many of the "good ideas" of conservatism were in fact quite radical. (Various libertarian schemes, ramping up defense spending to defeat Soviet Union, schooling etc.)
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Replying to @BasednRedpilld @HobbesianM and
I, personally, think any conservative project is flawed because the technical, genetic, and collective mood supports for social structures have been destroyed. Paradoxically, neo and regular reactionaries much better chance because project is much less utopian.
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Modern Western social/political philosophy is built on sand. Its assumptions are wrong, and it's not just tilting, but half-sunk already. We need a new philosophy, built from the ground up on a solid bedrock of science. Urgently. The task might simply be too big, though.
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Replying to @HobbesianM @thealthype
nrx was doing a pretty good job at that, imo
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I'm not enthused by Moldburg himself whose previous ideological commitments (praxeology, natural law, Austrian econ) are likely self-contradictory, but many of his adherents seem quite reasonable.
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Moldbug had some good things to say but never did emphasize hbd enough. The people who sometimes refer to Gnon are really on the right track
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