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     🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13

    I'm surprised by this recent Norway IQ study. Before 1975, later born children within a family scored higher. After, later born children scored lower. Unless I'm missing something, dysgenics shouldn't play a role here. What happened?

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      2.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13

        This would also indicate that the decline is not due to differences from one family to the next--it looks like some change that's affecting society at large.

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      3.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13

        Here's a possibility: smarter siblings increasingly avoided taking these tests in the cohort that was born after 1975? This is a military test that supposedly everyone must take, but I'm wondering if that's actually the case.

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      4.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13

        Alternatively, people in more recent years are increasingly blowing off the test? Nutrition is also a good possibility. Whatever is causing declines in sperm counts (presumably some chemical exposure?) might be causing other problems.

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      2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx

        Are you looking brainstorming or careful analysis of their stats? Obv idea is that the combination of factors that make ppl good test-takers peaked, then declined

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      3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jun 13
        Replying to @QuasLacrimas @HbdNrx

        The even-more-obv solution they claim to exclude (but idk how yet) is eugenic conditions became dysgenic post 1975

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      4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jun 13
        Replying to @QuasLacrimas @HbdNrx

        (from the abstract they claim they excluded a selection effect but idk how - you can’t compare 1st/2nd kids for families that don’t have more kids)

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      5.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @QuasLacrimas

        Siblings in the same family should average out to the same genetic potential IQ

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      6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx

        i fall for frequentist traps all the time but: if i have a family, 1 kid, iq=x, and the avg iq of families that have >1 kid =y, shouldn’t reversion put 2nd kid’s iq b/w x & y ?

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      7.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @QuasLacrimas

        Not sure what you mean. What I meant is that kid 1 and kid 2 should receive some random assortment from the same set of genes so aside from the possibility of more mutational load in kid 2 their expected IQ from genetics should be the same.

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      8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx

        but under eu/dys-genic conditions, the mere fact that there is a second kid provides you with additional info about mean familial traits

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      9.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @QuasLacrimas

        ok I see what you mean. Sure, the people with more kids may be dumber, but this is still comparing kid 1 to kid 2 to kid 3 within each family. If we take kid 1 minus kid 2 for each family, we get a set like +5,-7,+3 etc. If we average that out we expect approx zero

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      2. James Thompson‏Verified account @JamesPsychol Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx

        Working on it, hope to post shortly!

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      3.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @JamesPsychol

        Will be great to see your thoughts.

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      4.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx @JamesPsychol

        Here's a possibility: smarter siblings increasingly avoided taking these tests in the cohort that was born after 1975?

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      5. |) |(  🇮🇳‏ @askdheeraj Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx @JamesPsychol

        Random effect? Regression to mean?

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      6.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @askdheeraj @JamesPsychol

        No, looks like something in the environment (nutrition? older parents?) or some kind of sampling change.

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      7. James Thompson‏Verified account @JamesPsychol Jun 13
        Replying to @HbdNrx @askdheeraj

        post finished, and just checking it again, but the suppositions you have been considering cannot be identified by this study. All it has done is rule out immigration and dysgenics.

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      8. Civilisational pessimist‏ @CapHoratius Jun 13
        Replying to @JamesPsychol @HbdNrx @askdheeraj

        Do you know why migration is included as a potential environmental factor? Seems to me that it could only act on the environment via the other mechanisms.pic.twitter.com/XBghTMJOrJ

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      9. James Thompson‏Verified account @JamesPsychol Jun 13
        Replying to @CapHoratius @HbdNrx @askdheeraj

        It is a confounder, usually because immigrants are overall of lower ability against European norms.

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      1.  🐸 hbd nrx  🐸‏ @HbdNrx Jun 13
        Replying to @Onamonalonton

        You mean more intelligent, but that's apparently not the answer

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