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Dan Carlin
@HardcoreHistory
I’ve heard this from several people. FYI, Mike Silver specifically mentioned Lomachenko in our talk as a “throwback practitioner”. It didn’t end up in the final cut. 70 years ago these qualities were standard boxing practice. Rarity has made them special. m.youtube.com/watch?v=6T50G4
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johntbaty
@johntbaty
@HardcoreHistory I just listened to "Boxing with Ghosts." You may have addressed this already, but I would like to submit Vasyl Lomachenko for consideration as a modern boxer who focuses on movement and defense, on par with the old breed.
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@KevSpilker
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@HardcoreHistory
Watching Loma, it’s immediately apparent that his father’s insistence he learn dance before boxing was the right choice. His movements are beautiful. The only reason he isn’t a more household name is his delay in going pro. Nearly 400 amateur fights with 1 loss before turning out
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Dan Carlin
@HardcoreHistory
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@KevSpilker
Yeah, as we said in the show, Silver specifically mentions the connection between dance musculature and boxing’s requirements. He has some quotes in there by ballet practitioners who used to be boxers. They mentioned how it gave their legs endless stamina during a long bout.
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@MagpieMcGraw
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@HardcoreHistory
I've listened to the episode and I found some of the arguments unconvincing. You cannot have 50 real fights vs peer level opponents and keep your brain. Muay Thai fighters fight hundreds of times. But most of their fights are at a different level of intensity than a boxing war.
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Dan Carlin
@HardcoreHistory
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@MagpieMcGraw
How many rounds do the Muay Thai guys fight? Champion-level boxing matches were 15 three-minute rounds until I was in my mid-20s. (And on the “keep your brain” point: this isn’t theoretical. Many thousands of people have done this. Hundreds of fights. Look at Archie Moore…).
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SJ Fraser
@RealTimApple3
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@HardcoreHistory
And the likes of Whitaker, Ward, Mayweather, Uysk, Tony, Hopkins, Marquez, Trinidad, Canelo. I’m not convinced of his premise. Playing into the “damn kids these days!” Trope. Boxing tech really hasn’t changed much since the Greeks
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Dan Carlin
@HardcoreHistory
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@RealTimApple3
Well, check out the book and let me know your thoughts. I remember one analyst/ex-boxer quoted in the book specifically mentioning Whitaker and saying he was always so off balance an old-style guy would just push him over with a punch/push.
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Crispe
@Uizdo
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@HardcoreHistory
I think that the ‘soul’ of boxing, defensive and picking punches is still alive in the lower weight classes, but nobody thus far has forced everyone else to adapt to it in the heavyweights. The weight classes could perhaps have ‘saved’ the knowledge talked about as lost.
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