And yet UK rape rate is much less than US. Our gun crime is basically non existent. We don't have active shooter drills in our schools. Yup, it's us that have it wrong.
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http://www.unz.com/jman/guns-violence-again/ … On the basic level, before you can postulate a causal relationship, you should at least have a correlation. The “guns cause violence” crowd doesn’t even have that. I don't care about guns if they increased the homicide rate etc I would be happy with a ban
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We aren't talking about that. At no point in the conversation has anyone talked about no guns reducing overall crime rate. People are saying guns stop crime, I'm shooting it down because it's demonstrably untrue. That's all.
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Who was saying that. I’m saying gun ownership rates are negatively correlated with homicides in the USA. I’m also saying there is no correlation globally that is meaningful when normalizing racial demographics.
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Eg Japanese-American people in the USA will have a similarly low homicide rate as they do in Japan, Swedish-Americans will have a similarly low homicide rate as they do in Sweden etc etc
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African-Americans will have homicide rates more like Africans , Hispanic-Americans more like South America etc etc etc.
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Ever wonder why Wyoming has the highest gun ownership rate in the USA IIRC but in the bottom couple in homicide rate? Demographics!
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I’m not saying their guns stop the crime, I’m saying their guns are irrelevant!
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They don't stop crime or cause it they are irrelevant. Libs believe the first, cons believe the latter they are both wrong.
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^^thats a fine starting point. But , for real, this was covered at Uni when I went 20+ years ago ... it’s a long known fact that high gun ownership states and counties have lower murder rates in general
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You are aware that map shows absolutely no correlation that you are talking about and the article claims none?
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The data is in the USA maps of gun ownership vs homicide rates.
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Further reading is related 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country … (sort by rate) 2) https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf … (see page 11) The homicide rate in USA is not particularly high (adjust for race differences), despite 2A.
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US 4.88 Can 1.68 Fin 1.6 Fra 1.58 Isr 1.36 Den 0.99 Aus 0.98 UK 0.92 NZ 0.91 Ger 0.85 China 0.74 Jap 0.31 Shall we play spot the gun capital of the world? Struggling to see your point.
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And which one of those has a population the size of the American black community which commits murders at five times the rate of the majority ?
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Normalize for race and you’ll find no correlation at all.
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Let’s get some African and South American homicide rates in there
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