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I find this Lovecraftian god interesting. it makes sense as Yahweh lives in a cave near Nablus. he began as a minor sprite but as with turtles, great fishes like tuna &sharks, pituitary giants, and human hair, his growth is indeterminate. he is massive now.... too huge to behold.
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That is a misunderstanding of both religions. God doesn't command anyone to do immoral things. He is the source of morality. I mean what is immoral about genocide if we have only natural law and not divine law?
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To say he's beyond good and evil is just stupid. It assumes that morality exists in nature, while it clearly doesn't. You can say he's beyond logic, suprarational, which he is; which means he's not beholden to human intuitions of cause and effect and Platonic antinomial disputes
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So he's not beyond good and evil, he's the precondition for it, and likewise he is the precondition for rationality. In either case, he is not accountable to human judgment
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Morality does exist in nature, because teleology does. This also explains why morality existed, with some alterations as different peoples have organised differently and have been exposed to different conditions, throughout human history.
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Teleology also presupposes God. That Thomistic assumption is a big reason why the West gradually became so atheistic. Morality has an adaptive quality to it; but that's not the same as existing in nature. It it still thereby arbitrary/socially constructed.
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Teleology merely presupposes interaction within the awesome system that is Nature, which is a given for all organic entities. Deities are analogous to centres of gravity in Nature, idealisations of teleological principles. The distinction "social construct"/"natural" is wrong.
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Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire.
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And after the fire came a gentle whisper.When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.
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God is not beyond good and evil - what God wills is definitionally Good, He is the Fount of Goodness.
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His definition of Christian morals is wrong. Christianity also views morality as of God and not as of man, that God became Man to teach them demonstrates only the ability of man to learn of God, not that the Christian God *is* man himself
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Morality is almost by rules you are obligated to follow. It is why God's commands are always moral: they impose an absolute obligation.
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literally every time jews failed politically is when their religious consciousness suffered so this is false
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The entire bible begs to differ. The kings were constantly berated by various prophets. Religious factions prevented political organization up till the diaspora.
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Humans have no morality, except that which is instilled by The Creator, God, and son Jesus, one and the saod. Finis
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