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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @HPluckrose and

      If it's unfaithful to Nietzsche.

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    2. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose and

      Right. But, it would be my interpretation. I am not going to get in someone who thinks it is a "good idea."

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      Why wouldn't you? Do that first. Encourage your students to think for themselves about why it's a bad idea and then provide any arguments they might have missed. They can't rely on you to interpret everything for them forever. They'll be needed to run the world at some point.

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    4. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

      No. I am able to provide an interpretation without getting in someone each time to provide an alternate view.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      Of course you can provide an interpretation. Everyone can. But do they go to university to learn the interpretations of David Tabachnick? I am asking whether you think students need to be able to analyse an argument for fascism/Islamism/communism/nationalism/whatever themselves?

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    6. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

      Of course! That is the goal. Free and critical thinkers.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      Then show them to them! Don't filter it through your representation which will be that it is bad. They need to be able to identify that themselves.

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    8. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

      They take many classes from different professors. That is the point of undergraduate education.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      But you trust all of them not to show students arguments for bad things made by people who believe in them so this isn't much good, is it?

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    10. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

      No. I have no say in what they teach in their classrooms.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      Your reasoning is chaotic and inconsistent.

      5:01 AM - 25 May 2018
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        2. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          How so? You say students need to be exposed to alternative ideas. I say that they are. Whether in my class or in my colleagues, the university is a place of free and critical thinkers.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

          David, you are a professor of political science. You cannot possibly have got here by being unable to follow an argument or remember what has been said & responded to & what the point is. You must be being evasive & this makes honest discussion impossible. I will leave it here.

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        4. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          Sorry. Perhaps the medium is to blame? I believe I followed your point and disagreed multiple times. You supported a bad analogy, for some reason. You suggested that my students weren't being exposed to alternative views and ideas, which they are all of the time.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

          No. You are. I've responded to all that, explained analogies & clarified my difference with you on the subjects several times. You continue not to acknowledge anything I am saying. Reasoned discussion cannot happen unless you do. Progress can't unless society does. #2 #5 #6 #7pic.twitter.com/OWa4LzwxrL

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        6. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          I appreciate the list. Sadly, you seem to have moved away from the core idea and shifted to some sort of personal attack about my ability to communicate. Perhaps we can try again some other time?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7.  🤷🏼‍♀️Doves‏ @dovesandletters May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @HPluckrose and

          I sincerely hope she won’t bother with you again.

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        8. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @dovesandletters @HPluckrose and

          @el_blanc just predicted that you would tweet something right along those lines.

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        2. Elblanc0‏ @el_blanc0 May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DeTabachnick and

          Dropping into ad hominems again, Helen? That's not the sign of a disciplined thinker, but I guess they'll let anyone publish in that fanfiction trash magazine Quillette. Try to organize. Maybe, and see if it leads you to different conclusions. More Panic get you nowhere.

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        3. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @el_blanc0 @HPluckrose and

          I haven't experienced these tactics before. Is this her usual modus operandi?

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        4. Elblanc0‏ @el_blanc0 May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @HPluckrose and

          Yes, typical Helen. Swoop in because one of her tribe is attacked, politely insult, leave because it's 'too much for her'. Sometimes, a few of her chorus will come in to amplify whatever she's already said. The tactics of a strange subset of confused liberals.

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