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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia May 24
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @Ryan__Dee @HeatherEHeying

      You can only tackle threats to free speech while you still have free speech. At what point does it constitute a crisis? Opinions differ. She doesn't want to be tagged right now because working but you should look up Helen Pluckrose's work on this. (She did surveys & got numbers).

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    2. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 24
      Replying to @IonaItalia @Ryan__Dee @HeatherEHeying

      Sure thing. In general, I would say that professors have a particular responsibility to expose their students to good (if not also controversial) ideas. Free speech just for the sake of it really doesn't match with the mission of the university.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      No, that's right. It has to be something of relevance and presented by someone knowledgeable. We don't want people to stand on a stage & say 'wibble.' But conservative academics & radical feminist scholars getting banned is a problem.

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    4. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

      Honestly, while I know there are a few examples of such "banning", it is not the fundamental problem as some present it to be.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @HPluckrose and

      You sound EXACTLY like the Hindu far right. "There have been a few cases of Muslims getting beaten or killed, not enough to worry about." This is silly. The number of cases should be nil.

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    6. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose and

      That is a bit over the top.

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    7. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @HPluckrose and

      It's not though. In both cases, the number should be zero.

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    8. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose and

      It is not a good comparison.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      It;s not a comparison of the individuals. Its a look at the argument 'Let's not worry about bad things happening if it doesn't happen everywhere, all the time.' I suspect you'd see the problem if conservatives were regularly but not always banning talk of social issues & speakers

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    10. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

      Yeah. I got it. Still, not a good comparison.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
      Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

      That's not really saying anything. We can't go through all the bad things which are still bad if they happen often but not always until you find one you can live with.

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        2. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          OK. I just don't think genocide and someone getting forced out of their job are the same things.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

          No, it can;t be the same thing. Or it wouldnt make sense. This is how analogies work. Otherwise you'd just be saying one thing is as bad itself.

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        4. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          OK. Not a good analogy. Muslims in India have historically been subject to tremendous systemic oppression. That is not at all true for Professors with controversial ideas. Quite the opposite.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

          Note that the analogy is not on the historical oppression of Muslims in India with western Professors. . It is on the argument that bad things aren't that bad if they don't happen all the time. If an argument doesn't work if applied to something else, it doesn't work.

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        6. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          It doesn't work. Try something else: If one bad apple rots the entire barrel, so too is this true for oranges.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
          Replying to @DeTabachnick @IonaItalia and

          That isn't how analogies working for ethical arguments work. Do you think bad things should still be addressed if they happen often but not constantly or not? If your answer is 'Yes, when its murder, not when its unfair dismissal or censorship' you cannot think the latter v bad.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DeTabachnick and

          If you don't think unfair dismissal and censorship are bad, do you think this consistently. eg, if its OK to sack or no-platform someone for saying rape culture does not exist, is it also OK to sack or no-platform someone for saying rape culture does exist?

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        9. David Tabachnick‏ @DeTabachnick May 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and

          It really depends. As we agreed earlier, the point would have to be delivered in a way consistent with the educational mission of the university.

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