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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted AK James

    Biological essentialism, in the context of gender differences, refers to a belief that men and women are cognitively & psychologically distinct. There is a female nature & a male nature. Whereas, in reality, we are strongly overlapping populations with much individual variation.https://twitter.com/ashishkjames99/status/999737040324345857 …

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    AK James @ashishkjames99
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    Biological essentialism meaning the idea that biology necessarily has an impact on behaviour/society or the notion that biology implies a specific way life should be lived?
    12:45 PM - 24 May 2018
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      2. WolfgangStark‏ @WolfgangStark1 May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        1/- So, I’m not close to as smart as you or some of your followers, but the whole biological gender difference thing interests me. From what I understand, there are certain personality traits that on average are more common in women and vice versa. Ex: Women on average are higher

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      3. WolfgangStark‏ @WolfgangStark1 May 24
        Replying to @WolfgangStark1 @HPluckrose

        2/- in agreeableness. What I think you’re saying is that despite average gender differences, it’s a possibly pernicious way of determining how a “man” or “woman” should behave, because despite averages, there are always exceptions and individualistic qualities that need to be

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      4. WolfgangStark‏ @WolfgangStark1 May 24
        Replying to @WolfgangStark1 @HPluckrose

        3/- considered. Even if there are biological differences, it’s not as simple as bunching people up into one category or another. Am I close at all?

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @WolfgangStark1

        Yes, exactly. The best way to understand this is to think of height differences. The average British woman is 5 ft 5 & the average British man is 5 ft 9. That's a tiny difference - 4 inches - and its smaller than the range of normal heights within each sex & there is much overlap

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose @WolfgangStark1

        But even tho the difference is tiny and we all know women who are taller than the average man and men who are shorter than the average woman, it's significant. We notice it. I'm 5 ft 9 & people remark that I'm tall which they wouldn't if I were a man.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose @WolfgangStark1

        No-one says 'You can't be 5 ft 9. You're a woman.' That would be ridiculous. But some might say 'You can't be an engineer. You're a woman.' That would be wrong, ethically & factually, & this is overwhelmingly accepted now. Nevertheless, most ppl of 5ft 9 & most engineers are men

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      2. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think ‘essentialism’ is a bad concept myself, in that it smuggles in an assumption that there is nothing beyond immediate appearance; that is the ‘ism’ is a pejorative attached to the essence/appearance distinction. (Making no claims about gender here.)

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @JamesHeartfield

        I'm not sure I follow.

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      4. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        My fault, I’m sure. IMHO: Mostly the arguments against biological essentialism as explanation for gender difference are good. But...

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      5. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield May 24
        Replying to @JamesHeartfield @HPluckrose

        ... the concept of essentialism is bad. All reason is about moving from appearance to essence (with caveats). I.e. not taking first impressions uncritically. Deconstructionists (and others) argue this is a false move, which they call ‘essentialism’.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @JamesHeartfield

        I know the concept of biological essentialism is often misused. In fact, I think I only hear it in contexts where it is misused. When sex differences are being denied.

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      2. Steven Meyer‏ @StevenM69060635 May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Moderate differences in means between populations leads to big differences in relative ratios in the tails.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @StevenM69060635

        Yes, I try to explain this by comparing to height. There's only 7% difference in average height differences between men and women and many women who are taller than the average man but nearly everyone who hits their head on a beam six foot off the ground will be a man.

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      2. Androids Ate My Baby‏ @BubblegumHell May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The distinction is in the distribution.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @BubblegumHell

        Yes, absolutely. In the same way a woman of 5 ft 9 strikes us as tall although this is the average for men & very many women are 5 ft 9 and a man of 5 ft strikes us as short although this is average for women & many men are 5 ft 5. We notice norms & variations on them.

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      2.  🤷🏼‍♀️Doves‏ @dovesandletters May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Distinct and overlapping aren’t in contradiction if we have slightly different averages on specific traits. Unless you’re using “distinct” in a restrictive, mathematical sense.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @dovesandletters

        Distinct as in separate from each other, yes. A list of male traits and a list of female ones.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @notPotus42

        Not many but I seem to get a lot of them. They mostly claim that men are built for specific roles and women for other specific roles due to differences in nature. The one today is claiming that women are liberal & men conservative.

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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @StevenBigland

        Way more men will be interested in engineering and way more women in nursing?

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