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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Jordan B Peterson

      I'm here. I agree with you on the problem of blank slatism, disagree bible stories & Jungian archetypes help with this, agree postmodernism is at the root of the SocJus problem, disagree on why & how, agree we need to defend free speech, disagree on sexual morality. Best I can dohttps://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/999291589414588418 …

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      Jordan B PetersonVerified account @jordanbpeterson
      A thoughtful moderate leftist speaks up. Where are the rest of you? http://j.mp/2LqSbQP 
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      I need to write something about the problem of looking at the cultural, political situation via people rather than ideas. It comes down to people being essentially a bundle of ideas and the temptation if you admire or dislike a certain person to take on or reject all of them.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      Also, there is the tendency to see an individual in terms of the thing which is most important to you and assume that everyone else sees them defined as that thing too. Then 'I admire/dislike this person' becomes 'I agree or disagree with this thing that is important to you'

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      Suppose you admire JBP for his message about individual responsibility which has been presented in terms you find inspiring and which have helped you personally but someone else sees him in terms of epistemology - how we determine what is true - and disagrees strongly with this?

      2 replies 3 retweets 35 likes
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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      You might understand that second person saying 'I am not a fan of Peterson' as saying 'I am not a fan of personal responsibility' when they mean 'I am not a fan of Darwinian notions of truth.' Therefore, miscommunication has happened & you could actually agree on both things.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      The question 'What do you think of so-and-so?' really needs to be answered with 'I know him/her mostly in relation to this idea about which I think...' but it's probably better not to ask that question at all in most situations and start with the ideas.

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    7. David Whyte‏ @Soulstorm99 May 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We are drowning in stupid things as we try to discuss bigger issues. I cite Petterson and Sam Harris' first debate, where they ended up lost in arguing about just what the concept of 'truth' is. I see this in intellectual debate again and again. How to prevent this?

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    8. Alex Murillo‏ @alex_amurillo May 24
      Replying to @Soulstorm99 @HPluckrose

      I thought that was perhaps the most important thing to debate before one can even move on. Not a “just” at all.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
      Replying to @alex_amurillo @Soulstorm99

      I understand people not wanting to get bogged down in definitions of concepts but address what is actually happening, why & what we can do about it. I frequently get frustrated when philosophically minded people focus on definitions to the extent that no productive convo happens.

      2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @alex_amurillo @Soulstorm99

      However, I think our understanding of truth and knowledge has changed radically with postmodernism & post-truth and we cannot possibly hope to address current political and cultural problems without understanding how all parties are seeing truth & knowledge.

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        2. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @alex_amurillo @Soulstorm99

          Peterson has struck a nerve, and the question of what need he's meeting and how to meet it without cranking up the fog-maker is one that I intend to bravely wait for you to answer while ciriticizing every little misstep along the way. Good luck!

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
          Replying to @Ramcgreg @alex_amurillo @Soulstorm99

          Thanks. 😑 I did address it a bit here but the problem of how to supply human needs for emotionally resonant metanarratives & something akin to spirituality without losing empirical truth & reason will probably always be with us. We are stupid apes.https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ …

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        4. Alex Murillo‏ @alex_amurillo May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Ramcgreg @Soulstorm99

          The other problem I have with the Dillahunty/Harris/etc argument is: how can one ever “prove”the supernatural if what constitutes proof (solely the empirical) would automatically move the phenomenon into the realm of the natural?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
          Replying to @alex_amurillo @Ramcgreg @Soulstorm99

          I find this uninteresting. If something supernatural exists and cannot be known in the natural realm, its existence cannot be known by us and there seems little point in speculating about it. If people want to, they can, of course but no-one else has to take them seriously.

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        6. David Whyte‏ @Soulstorm99 May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @alex_amurillo @Ramcgreg

          Well, there are certainly phenomena that we cannot scientifically measure nor explain. I reckon it's unfair to be critical of those who strive their best to understand such things despite their knowledge that a scientific certainty of that they enquire about can never be achieved

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
          Replying to @Soulstorm99 @alex_amurillo @Ramcgreg

          Well, I am, tho I defend their right to do it. It's the triad of postmodernism, theology and metaphysics that does this and they overlap a lot and call on the same elements of epistemology. It's fine when it remains speculative and for enjoyment or thought experiment.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Soulstorm99 and

          It only becomes a problem when people claim it to be knowledge and that it should influence public policy or academia. Theology has the longest history of this but feminist epistemology is the only thing I know to be getting away with it now in a way which affects wider society.

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        9. Alex Murillo‏ @alex_amurillo May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Soulstorm99 @Ramcgreg

          Humility in the face of the non-empirical does seem to me a legitimate cornerstone of both public policy and academic study. The problem of course is when ppl make claims in one realm of truth where it belongs in the other.

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        1. Alex Murillo‏ @alex_amurillo May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Soulstorm99

          Precisely. :)

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        2. Patrick Mac‏ @FairenoughMac May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @alex_amurillo @Soulstorm99

          I agree . Truth is such a fundamental concept that I think a disagreement about that must be worked out otherwise why discuss anything? Jbp's very interesting but I find his redefining truth to be foolish, counterproductive, and dangerous.

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        3. Alex Murillo‏ @alex_amurillo May 24
          Replying to @FairenoughMac @HPluckrose @Soulstorm99

          I am not sure that JBP is redefining truth so much as returning it to an older definition. And obviously making the argument that in some ways older doesn’t necessarily equal inferior.

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        4. Patrick Mac‏ @FairenoughMac May 24
          Replying to @alex_amurillo @HPluckrose @Soulstorm99

          His ideal of Truth ignores accuracy and highlights usefulness. So I could knowingly lie to you but if the lie was useful enough be telling the truth.

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        5. Alex Murillo‏ @alex_amurillo May 24
          Replying to @FairenoughMac @HPluckrose @Soulstorm99

          In the empirical realm accuracy obviously reigns supreme. So you could tell me a “lie” (ie inaccurate statement) knowing the deeper truth that it would lead to behavior that benefits me. (Hey, don’t priests do this? Lol).

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