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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Jordan B Peterson

      I'm here. I agree with you on the problem of blank slatism, disagree bible stories & Jungian archetypes help with this, agree postmodernism is at the root of the SocJus problem, disagree on why & how, agree we need to defend free speech, disagree on sexual morality. Best I can dohttps://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/999291589414588418 …

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      Jordan B PetersonVerified account @jordanbpeterson
      A thoughtful moderate leftist speaks up. Where are the rest of you? http://j.mp/2LqSbQP 
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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

      I need to write something about the problem of looking at the cultural, political situation via people rather than ideas. It comes down to people being essentially a bundle of ideas and the temptation if you admire or dislike a certain person to take on or reject all of them.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

          Also, there is the tendency to see an individual in terms of the thing which is most important to you and assume that everyone else sees them defined as that thing too. Then 'I admire/dislike this person' becomes 'I agree or disagree with this thing that is important to you'

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

          Suppose you admire JBP for his message about individual responsibility which has been presented in terms you find inspiring and which have helped you personally but someone else sees him in terms of epistemology - how we determine what is true - and disagrees strongly with this?

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

          You might understand that second person saying 'I am not a fan of Peterson' as saying 'I am not a fan of personal responsibility' when they mean 'I am not a fan of Darwinian notions of truth.' Therefore, miscommunication has happened & you could actually agree on both things.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

          The question 'What do you think of so-and-so?' really needs to be answered with 'I know him/her mostly in relation to this idea about which I think...' but it's probably better not to ask that question at all in most situations and start with the ideas.

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        2. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia May 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I wrote a thing on this which might help as a springboard:https://areomagazine.com/2017/07/15/debate-ideas-not-people/ …

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        1. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          God this Helen! Why do we always need some sort of posterboy through which to reach the ideas? I'm sick of talking about this guy but some of the ideas are worthy of discussion. Others are tripe.

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        1. Paula Wright‏ @SexyIsntSexist May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Following principles not personalities.

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        1. Non-Toxic Avenger 🗽 🍕‏ @Bugs_Meany May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          "if you admire or dislike a certain person to take on or reject all of them." i think the problem is concern for peer approval; if you like X idea from Y person, but your peers think Y is horrible for some other belief, you're risking associating yourself w/ Known Wrongthinker.

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        2. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think this is also due to the fact that people can have utility beyond their individuality. An ambassador for a nation represents much more than just themselves. Likewise, people become ambassadors for ideas, and criticism of them often feels like criticism of ALL their ideas.

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        3. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch May 24
          Replying to @paytreearch @HPluckrose

          Ultimately ideas, on their own, do not spread. They must be spoken. And when a speaker begins spreading ideas we agree with and find too rare in others, they become a symbol of a future where more people agree with us on that issue. Attacks on them jeopardize that future.

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        4. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch May 24
          Replying to @paytreearch @HPluckrose

          So it's easy to imagine a bright future fading away as you see people reject a person you agree with, and by proxy, the ideas they espouse that had given you hope for a brighter future where more people held those ideas.

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        1. Killer Robot Bastard‏ @Robot_Bastard May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Modern people reason by contagion. "X says Y, and Z says like-Y, and Z is horrible, therefore X is horrible."

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        1. Jorgen Burstrom‏ @jayphonic May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The perfect being the enemy of the good

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        1. Paula Wright‏ @SexyIsntSexist May 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm not sure which philosophers discuss this. It's something I've been promoting for a while abs a quick Google just now says it's one of the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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