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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Jordan B Peterson

    I'm here. I agree with you on the problem of blank slatism, disagree bible stories & Jungian archetypes help with this, agree postmodernism is at the root of the SocJus problem, disagree on why & how, agree we need to defend free speech, disagree on sexual morality. Best I can dohttps://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/999291589414588418 …

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    Jordan B PetersonVerified account @jordanbpeterson
    A thoughtful moderate leftist speaks up. Where are the rest of you? http://j.mp/2LqSbQP 
    3:52 AM - 24 May 2018
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    20 replies 43 retweets 273 likes
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

        I need to write something about the problem of looking at the cultural, political situation via people rather than ideas. It comes down to people being essentially a bundle of ideas and the temptation if you admire or dislike a certain person to take on or reject all of them.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

        Also, there is the tendency to see an individual in terms of the thing which is most important to you and assume that everyone else sees them defined as that thing too. Then 'I admire/dislike this person' becomes 'I agree or disagree with this thing that is important to you'

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

        Suppose you admire JBP for his message about individual responsibility which has been presented in terms you find inspiring and which have helped you personally but someone else sees him in terms of epistemology - how we determine what is true - and disagrees strongly with this?

        2 replies 3 retweets 35 likes
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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

        You might understand that second person saying 'I am not a fan of Peterson' as saying 'I am not a fan of personal responsibility' when they mean 'I am not a fan of Darwinian notions of truth.' Therefore, miscommunication has happened & you could actually agree on both things.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24

        The question 'What do you think of so-and-so?' really needs to be answered with 'I know him/her mostly in relation to this idea about which I think...' but it's probably better not to ask that question at all in most situations and start with the ideas.

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      2. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah

        Can you name some blank slatists in modern academia with sources to their supposed blank slatism?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @Race__Realist @M_Methuselah

        Dozens, yes. The academic term for this is 'social constructivism,' you can find numerous sources on Google Scholar searching that term. I recommend The Norwegian Gender Paradox to see some in action & the debate between Spelke and Pinker. Gender Trouble by Judith Butler. 1/2

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Race__Realist @M_Methuselah

        That's the founder of Queer Theory and the book in which she sets out the main thesis that gender is a social construct. Mapping the Margins by Kimberlé Crenshaw in which she sets out the foundations for intersectionality saying it depends on PoMo ideas of cultural constructivism

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Race__Realist @M_Methuselah

        Those are key texts. Steven Pinker also looks at several in 'The Blank Slate.' But throughout identity studies of all kinds, you will find that social constructivism is assumed & the word 'construct' throughout. Feminist epistemology & critical race theory are based in this too.

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      2. Miranda Mitchell‏ @Mashugana_Kat May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I would love to see you and @jordanbpeterson get together for a discussion / debate. The two of you are among my favorite thinkers.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 24
        Replying to @Mashugana_Kat @jordanbpeterson

        Thank you! But we are coming from a fundamentally different epistemology so we'd run into the same problems that the talks with Harris and Dillahunty did and I could not address them nearly as well as those experienced & articulate speakers. I'm a writer really.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Miranda Mitchell‏ @Mashugana_Kat May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose @jordanbpeterson

        You still have some interesting insights and I often find your perspective useful in helping me find my way. I don't believe in echo chambers, and I welcome the opportunity to listen to intelligent, articulate people I may not always agree with.

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      2. Billy Bonker‏ @bill_bonker May 24
        Replying to @nationofseals @HPluckrose

        You don't need to agree with him. But it's also the case that the character assassination is on the same spectrum as not listening to his (or others') ideas if they challenge one's own current views. Close-mindedness is close cousin to intolerance.

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      1. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 May 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I love the Jungian archetypes stuff though, when he's in his storytelling element and just trying to provoke thought rather than make concrete assertions.

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      2. Realist Left‏ @realistleft May 24
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        ++ JBP needs to be aware how neoliberalism is at the root of much of the social problems he harps upon, and that economic structure matters a lot towards people's chances of achieving a better outcome.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Septeus7‏ @Septeus7 May 24
        Replying to @realistleft @HPluckrose

        You can't separate social and economic structure as they are one. Deregulated markets for labor and free trade will means deregulated sexuality and consumerist materialism. Sociological research has demonstrated the link between "open borders" and "free love" degeneracy.

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      4. Realist Left‏ @realistleft May 24
        Replying to @Septeus7 @HPluckrose

        Which is why the talk about a "sexual marketplace" is so puzzling. Neoliberal economists and conservative "masculinists" (or whatever they call themselves) are essentially marketizing and commodifying personal relationships.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Septeus7‏ @Septeus7 May 24
        Replying to @realistleft @HPluckrose

        The Rightwing analysis of sex is that patriarchy is sexual socialism and that is the basis of civilization where female choice is removed and replaced by Paternal choice. Patriarchy is the process of males systematically removing "bad boys" from sexual selection.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Jack Murphy‏ @jackmurphylive May 24
        Replying to @Septeus7 @realistleft @HPluckrose

        You highlight a very important contradiction for both sides. Leftists are redistributive when it comes to everything except sex, and rightists are free marketeers about everything except sex.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Septeus7‏ @Septeus7 May 24
        Replying to @jackmurphylive @realistleft @HPluckrose

        You are right that the "left is redistributive to everything except because leftism is female reproductive strategy in politics. The so-called right is divided by the two Make reproductive strategies i.e. Conservatives (Warrior Class) and Libertarians (Merchant Class).

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      8. Realist Left‏ @realistleft May 24
        Replying to @Septeus7 @jackmurphylive @HPluckrose

        Interestingly enough, before 1968, men would vote Democrats and Labour than GOP/Tories, while women were the ones voting for the GOP and Tories.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Septeus7‏ @Septeus7 May 24
        Replying to @realistleft @jackmurphylive @HPluckrose

        Parties are meaningless. I'm talking about policy. Women vote one way on policy i.e. whatever redistributes away from men and toward women and their children. I don't blame them. Women vote in their immediate interests but long term that will create problems.

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