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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23

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      Of course for a tiny minority of people, devoting their entire life to a family & home and none to work is absolutely right just as for a small minority of people, devoting their entire life to work and none to a family & home is absolutely right. https://twitter.com/Paul_Bergkamp/status/999158977199071233 …

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23

      But for more people who throw themselves fully into work & have no family life, this indicates not that they have no need for a partner or family but that they can't find one that suits them and so have filled out their lives doing something else important to them. @Paul_Bergkamp

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23

      And for more people who throw themselves fully into looking after home & family, this indicates not they have no personal ambitions or interests but that they can't find a way to realise them & so have filled out their lives doing something else important to them. @Paul_Bergkamp

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    4. John A. Boudet‏ @JohnBoudet May 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Paul_Bergkamp

      So those who choose to dedicate themselves to home/family “can’t find a way to realize their (real) ambitions” and thus make do by devoting themselves to family? Maybe for some (and not just a tiny minority), supporting a family IS their highest ambition—and a noble one at that.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23
      Replying to @JohnBoudet @Paul_Bergkamp

      I said it is for some. Just as devoting a life to work to the exclusion of family is for some. But most people need a bit of both. It's not that intellectual/professional/vocational aims are more real than family life or the other way round.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JohnBoudet @Paul_Bergkamp

      Just that it is the rare person who is completely satisfied with just one or the other. The person who prioritises and most enjoys family life is still very likely to have some intellectual/professional/vocational needs as well.

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        2. John A. Boudet‏ @JohnBoudet May 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Paul_Bergkamp

          It isn’t at all rare to encounter women who—given the economic means—would choose to be stay at home moms. I’ve met many who made that choice and felt no burning need to fill out another quarterly sales report or draft another legal brief.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23
          Replying to @JohnBoudet @Paul_Bergkamp

          This is what I mean. The options they see are not appealing. It is very unlikely they have no intellectual/vocational interests tho. It could be art or history or medicine or anything. I have no need to fill out sales reports or legal briefs. Most people don't.

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        4. John A. Boudet‏ @JohnBoudet May 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Paul_Bergkamp

          What I’m suggesting is that many find the job of raising children fully satisfying. No need for other work. A good book will suffice. And families are different. Raising one daughter who enjoys alone time is perhaps less... fully occupying than say, raising 4 boys. Just saying.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 23
          Replying to @JohnBoudet @Paul_Bergkamp

          And I am disagreeing. I think few people need no personal vocational goals. Yes, of course, having lots of children might mean that they are impossible but it doesn't make the need for them go away. Same with men who want wives & families but can't fit them in.

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        6. John A. Boudet‏ @JohnBoudet May 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Paul_Bergkamp

          You look at stay at home moms the way I look at vegetarians. You’re not judging them, but you can’t quite believe that someone would freely make that choice and be fulfilled. Like, no bacon ever? Yes John. They really don’t want bacon. Yes Helen, they don’t want another job.

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