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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

    I know I have tweeps who believe that society works better and is happier generally when traditional gender roles are upheld. Perhaps if we could measure this rigorously, you would even be right. But, as usual, this tells us nothing about any individual and the individual matters

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

        Feel free to say this and show evidence for it. People can consider whether they would be happier that way. If they think not and live their life the way they choose to, there is no point going on about brainwashing. There's almost never any point to going on about brainwashing

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

        Although there is something amusing about conservatives making arguments for false consciousness to me.

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      2. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If even one person is unhappy it's not good enough. Society should be structured so everyone gets the choice.

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      3. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 22
        Replying to @Zacnaloen @HPluckrose

        If there is only one unhappy person Ieft, I'd say that's probably on that one person.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @Nothercupacafe @Zacnaloen

        No, I don't think so. Not if it is due to a lack of equal rights. If only one woman in the world wanted to be an engineer, it would still be wrong that engineering was closed to women.

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      5. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Zacnaloen

        Yes I didn't mean to infer that not all should have choice, I meant to infer that if EVERY other person was happy, I don't know that the definition of "choice/happiness" for the last remaining individual who claims not to have it, needs to be acquiesced to.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @Nothercupacafe @Zacnaloen

        But this is in the context of equality. Not any definition of unhappiness. We don't say 'It's right to deny women the right to be petroleum engineers because almost none of them want to'. If a single person is denied a right due to their gender, race etc, we have a problem.

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      2. mike‏ @mikeo51 May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I suggest that everyone stands in front of a mirror, naked, and that may just give them a clue! You are either male or female! Outrageous, I know, but that’s as it is!!!

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @mikeo51

        Huh? I'm not talking about whether people have male or female sexual characteristics.

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      4. mike‏ @mikeo51 May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Then speak English!

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @mikeo51

        Fuck off.

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      6. mike‏ @mikeo51 May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Sound like you’re university educated? Most of them can’t handle discussions!

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      1. Clare‏ @PlanetClare_ May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I was a stay at home mum, it was right for me. Perhaps as studies show in Sweden women and men do gravitate toward certain professions etc. But that doesn't mean those who don't fit those roles should be boxed in by them, I'll never get how them having that choice impacts others.

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      1. James Greville‏ @jimigrev May 23
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        I think there are people who don't necessarily believe this, but want to at least discuss that this might be a possibility and look at the evidence without being branded a misogynist.

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      2. Clare‏ @PlanetClare_ May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Surely if a societies succeed were dependent on gender roles being upheld, those where they're more rigidly enforced (which are many) would be more successful? But often we find the oppposite is true, and those cultures where they do are less successful.

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      3. Clare‏ @PlanetClare_ May 22
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        *success.

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      1. Ali Kat‏ @nerdc0re84 May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Gender roles have always been primarily about what is good for the group rather than the individual

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