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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

    If someone genuinely feels under too much pressure from feminism to have children and stay home with them, she should seek help. It is not normal to be this strongly influenced by a small section of a society which otherwise overwhelmingly supports women's right to choose.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

        Even if you can find a selection of women who feel like this, there is no justification for saying that women generally do not really have intellectual/professional/vocational aims and are only brainwashed into thinking that they're multi-faceted human beings because feminism.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

        Feminism has many many problems. Including among them the fact that women are having more careers and fewer babies undermines your credibility as a critic of it. This development has not been feminist for a long time. Most critics of feminism do not object to women having jobs.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22

        Feminism is a fringe movement now. The aim for equal rights, freedoms and opportunities for women has not belonged to it for some time. This is a cultural norm because denying it is unjustifiable.

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      2. Lauren Burden‏ @lenlsw May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think this feeling comes from the general thrust of feminism - be a ceo, earn more, work in tech etc. Essentially (and ironically) 'be more like a man'. There v little talk of motherhood apart from how it holds women down. 1/

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @lenlsw

        Well, no. The right to motherhood has never been denied. Anyone who is fertile and attractive enough to get a partner already has that right and has done forever.

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      4. Lauren Burden‏ @lenlsw May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm not saying motherhood is denied. I'm saying it feels disparaged sometimes. That feminism at the moment focuses on women striving to earn more and have high status jobs. The other side of that coin? That to focus on kids instead is to maintain the patriachial status quo.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @lenlsw

        Yes, I don't deny this. I am saying that they're allowed to think that way. Just as the tradlifers are. And we can ignore both and make our own choices and society will overwhelmingly support this.

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      2. Benedict White‏ @BenedictMPWhite May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don't recall seeing anything in feminism that encourages women to have babies.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @BenedictMPWhite

        Under too pressure from feminism to have babies = so much pressure from feminism that she's not going to have babies.

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      4. Benedict White‏ @BenedictMPWhite May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        ???

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @BenedictMPWhite

        I thought you misunderstood the sentence and thought I was saying feminists pressure women to have babies so I rephrased it. No?

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      2. Mom Folding Laundry‏ @JenandZen May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose @pammustard

        It is indeed not normal to be this influenced by society. But it’s normal to feel pressure from one’s parents & friends. I’m constantly under onslaught from family to work outside home. They, in turn, r influenced by upper middle class feminism. No one lives in a bubble.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @JenandZen @pammustard

        Yes, I did have a tweet about that - families and communities.

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      4. Mom Folding Laundry‏ @JenandZen May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose @pammustard

        Pop. Sorry. Should read the thread.

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      2. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That's the first time I've heard such a claim. 🤔

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @CathyYoung63

        I've never heard it. I've heard plenty of socially conservative women say that feminists disparage their choice but they make it anyway and receive plenty of support for it. No more patience for it than 'the patriarchy pressures women to be stay-at-home mums.'

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      4. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But you said "pressure from feminism to have children and stay home with them." Hence my confusion

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      5. Sarah Brown‏ @SarahAB_UK May 22
        Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose

        *too much* pressure - i.e 'so much pressure from feminists that they feel they cannot ...'

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      2. carol‏ @cpenguina May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Surely feminism was about giving women choice?I'm surprised to see you disparaging a concern some women may feel rather than investigating its prevalence.Sometimes small sections of society have the most powerful voices and this can then make their view appear more powerful.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 22
        Replying to @cpenguina

        2nd wave liberal feminism was. You'll see me disparaging concerns that some segments of society are saying things we don't like and this causes harm quite a lot. It's kind of my thing whether its patriarchy culturally conditioning women into gender roles or feminism out of them

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      4. carol‏ @cpenguina May 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I suspect it's more the role of the media generally which does promote one feminist view only but fair enough. I would just like to see a return to endorsing choice even if women disagree on why choices are made.

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