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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Iona Italia

      Yep. There are two competing beliefs about what will end racism. 1) Focusing intensely on race to become alert to how racism operates on many implicit levels. 2) Treating race as irrelevant to normalise evaluating people individually & make casual racism socially unacceptable.https://twitter.com/IonaItalia/status/998068548156166144 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Iona Italia @IonaItalia
      Some may be promoting anti-racism in the name of equality & respect. But not all (you for one aren't). It's NOT a 'necessary convo'. White self-flagellation isn't necessary, nor is scapegoating or virtue signalling. What's necessary? Promoting equality. Eliminating discrimination https://twitter.com/johnpike15/status/998029710461362176 …
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    2. Not a Russian Bot‏ @Tycoon126 May 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Replying to @JoshNaatjes and @HPluckrose I prefer option 2, but without poisoning the well with "casual racism."

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
      Replying to @Tycoon126

      Well, casual racism did and does exist. It has become much less prevalent because people frowned on it. Of course, people have made false claims about what constitutes casual racism.

      7:18 PM - 20 May 2018
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        2. JoshN‏ @joshnaa2gez May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Tycoon126

          I'm all for making it socially unacceptable as long as its done socially not legally. Laws intended to force social behavior, no matter how well meaning, often lead to disaster. And yes, the micro aggression mentality has definitely overdone it.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @joshnaa2gez @Tycoon126

          Yes, people have the right to be racist and other people have the right to dislike them for it. We made good progress on making it generally understood that 'not racist' was an integral part of being seen as a good person.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Not a Russian Bot‏ @Tycoon126 May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, then you have the problem of who defines what "racism" is. I have been called racist for argueing with someone about Islam, for instance.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @Tycoon126

          Yes, that's the very problem I am discussing.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Tycoon126

          I am certainly not claiming that everyone is being reasonable about it. But we did make a lot of progress with a general consensus that evaluating people as superior or inferior because of their race was a bad thing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Not a Russian Bot‏ @Tycoon126 May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We have made a lot of progress, but I fear that the pendulum has swung to far. The majority of the people speaking on the issue seem to be completely unaware that racial supremecy exists outside of the white race- in Japan or with the Black Panthers, for instance.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. JoshN‏ @joshnaa2gez May 20
          Replying to @Tycoon126 @HPluckrose

          I think we also have to guard against white identity politics... that's where you get into alt-right territory and it's a dark place. Whites are not victims, and don't need their interests represented. No one's interest should be connected to skin color. White, black, or brown.

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        2. Not a Russian Bot‏ @Tycoon126 May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I have a black friend and a jewish friend, and I am german (with dab of Cherokee). Do you know how many slave, holocaust, indian and irish jokes fly around when we hang out with each other? Who defines "casual" racism, and how is it distinguished from friendly assholery?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @Tycoon126

          I don't think that's as difficult as you make it sound to reasonable people. In the same way, I am sure you can tell the difference between a joke about white people not being able to dance between friends and the current rhetoric about all white people being evil.

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        1. Not a Russian Bot‏ @Tycoon126 May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I missread the post. I thought it said "make casual racism ACCEPTABLE. I was having a completely different arguement. Oops.

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