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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Seth Abramson

    I do not like this concept of 'fighting words.' 'Consent to combat' is when someone says something like 'Yes, I will fight you,' not when they say something like 'Want to have sex?' or 'I believe gender is determined by gonads,' or 'The prophet Muhammad was a bad person'https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/998221803058270213 …

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    Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson
    23/ But what if we told those who want to deliberately misgender others as a personal insult that if you do and if you then *get your fucking ass kicked*, the law may not deem that a crime because your deliberate misgendering constituted "fighting words" (i.e. consent to combat)?
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      2. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "Fighting words" is a term from the legal world in the U.S. Here's the thing that nobody considers: Women are vastly less likely to haul off and sock someone. Female aggression tends to be the covert mean girl stuff. From my science-based advice column: http://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2015/07/beyond-thunderd.html …pic.twitter.com/HU797m27jw

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      3. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 May 20
        Replying to @amyalkon @HPluckrose

        Not THAT vastly. About 25% of arrests for aggravated assault and 28% for simple assault are of women. When you consider that women probably benefit from police favoritism, the real difference may be even smaller.

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      4. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon May 20
        Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose

        Certain women will physically attack other women under certain circumstances. Women in general are vastly less physical in fighting than men.

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      5. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 May 20
        Replying to @amyalkon @HPluckrose

        Generally yes. But there are interesting class differences; I recall reading, in Lawrence Sherman's book "Policing Domestic Violence," that many women in poor urban communities espouse a kind of female machismo, taking pride in their ability to wallop anyone who gives them crap

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      1. Fraser Galbraith‏ @frgalbraith May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In the US the long-term trend has been for courts to limit what constitutes "fighting words". Podcast on the historical background:https://www.popehat.com/2018/01/31/make-no-law-episode-one-fighting-words/ …

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      1. Jeremy Willis‏ @JeremyPhilosoph May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Premodern: "Sir, you have misgendered me. I challenge you to a duel." "I accept" Postmodern: "Sir, you have misgeendered me. Your violence implies a duel" "Uhhhh"

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      1. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Indeed. The fighting word exception seems like a throwback to dueling.

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      2. Tom Barson‏ @tbarson49 May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        1/ Since I don’t frequent late night bars, I can only relate fighting words to how, growing up, we young males settled issues of dominance, status, and respect.

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      3. Tom Barson‏ @tbarson49 May 20
        Replying to @tbarson49 @HPluckrose

        2/ fighting words were an opportunity to establish dominance but also a way to resist bullying. If you were willing to get your ass kicked, you won respect and protection from bullying.

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      4. Tom Barson‏ @tbarson49 May 20
        Replying to @tbarson49 @HPluckrose

        3/ I won’t call it a pretty system, but I suspect some version of it would continue if you took away the words. Males with no names to call each other will still need to settle things.

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      1. liam mccarthy‏ @liam1408 May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Are they ‘fighting words’ ?

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      1. liam mccarthy‏ @liam1408 May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think he was smoking something when he wrote that post

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