That was why I said 'we' about the universal liberals. I certainly don't claim not to be biased towards universal liberalism. That would make it hard to argue for. I thought that was a good attempt at steelmanning the IdPol position & their concerns abt the UniLib one. No? https://twitter.com/rgigger/status/998157270297948161 …
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I think it was a good attempt but there are some things that I would change if the goal is for the people you are describing to feel like they aren’t being mischaracterized.
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So I am obvs biased in the other direction but the whole “Identity Politics” label feels like a smear. It feels like you are saying we want to divide the world up by race rather than simply dealing with the fact that other people already have.
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Whereas claiming that “Universal Liberalism” can’t apply to people who think we need to talk about race seems unfair.
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I did not say that either. But the people who think we need to take an identity politics approach are very critical of universal liberalism. See Kimberlé Crenshaw on this specifically.
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Maybe I’ll just have to read more about what the specific arguments are here.
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I think though that you are focusing too much on prominent activists rather than just ordinary, not super political citizens that are just sick of racism, want it to end, and feel that it needs to be called out.
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Because I fully believe that racism needs to be identified and called out but I wouldn’t say that that approach is odds with what I would consider universal liberalism. But maybe I just don’t fully understand how the terms are being used.
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Both groups believe that. No, I don't think you do. I recommend Crenshaw's Mapping the Margins where she compares them. Also, to understand the IdPol position re: race, try Barbara Applebaum's Being White, Being Good, White Complicity...
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