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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted

      That was why I said 'we' about the universal liberals. I certainly don't claim not to be biased towards universal liberalism. That would make it hard to argue for. I thought that was a good attempt at steelmanning the IdPol position & their concerns abt the UniLib one. No? https://twitter.com/rgigger/status/998157270297948161 …

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    2. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think it was a good attempt but there are some things that I would change if the goal is for the people you are describing to feel like they aren’t being mischaracterized.

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    3. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
      Replying to @rgigger @HPluckrose

      So I am obvs biased in the other direction but the whole “Identity Politics” label feels like a smear. It feels like you are saying we want to divide the world up by race rather than simply dealing with the fact that other people already have.

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    4. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
      Replying to @rgigger @HPluckrose

      Whereas claiming that “Universal Liberalism” can’t apply to people who think we need to talk about race seems unfair.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
      Replying to @rgigger

      I did not say that either. But the people who think we need to take an identity politics approach are very critical of universal liberalism. See Kimberlé Crenshaw on this specifically.

      4:58 AM - 20 May 2018
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        2. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Maybe I’ll just have to read more about what the specific arguments are here.

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        3. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
          Replying to @rgigger @HPluckrose

          I think though that you are focusing too much on prominent activists rather than just ordinary, not super political citizens that are just sick of racism, want it to end, and feel that it needs to be called out.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @rgigger

          I am talking about the rationale which underlies the two approaches. I have said nothing about any prominent activist. Please stop now.

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        5. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          What I’m saying here is that there are vocal activists out there who fit the descriptions that you are making but I don’t think that those descriptions fit many ordinary people. Does it offend you that I’m saying that?

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @rgigger

          No. That is true. It is just only tangentially relevant to my discussion of two rationales for two approaches to anti-racism. Most people don't make them. The thread I was responding to involved two people who did & this was their difference which comes up time & time again.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @rgigger

          You need to be gone now. If you find my points difficult to understand, I'm sorry, but I'm wasting no more of my life explaining why I don't mean things I have never said.

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        8. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Thanks for taking the time to talk to me. I in no way meant to offend, accuse, or tax your mental health. I learned a lot from the exchange. I’m sorry that you found it so frustrating.

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