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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊

    That was why I said 'we' about the universal liberals. I certainly don't claim not to be biased towards universal liberalism. That would make it hard to argue for. I thought that was a good attempt at steelmanning the IdPol position & their concerns abt the UniLib one. No?https://twitter.com/rgigger/status/998157270297948161 …

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    In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊 @rgigger
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    It was clear from your framing that you are trying to describe it as an impartial observer but are in fact clearly in one camp. I don’t mean that as an insult but you might want to consider that your bias effects how you characterize the other side. ;)
    4:14 AM - 20 May 2018
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      2. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it was a good attempt but there are some things that I would change if the goal is for the people you are describing to feel like they aren’t being mischaracterized.

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      3. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
        Replying to @rgigger @HPluckrose

        So I am obvs biased in the other direction but the whole “Identity Politics” label feels like a smear. It feels like you are saying we want to divide the world up by race rather than simply dealing with the fact that other people already have.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 20
        Replying to @rgigger

        I am talking about the conflict between those two positions on this. I can't help what you feel like I am saying. I did not, in reality, say that. Look at the thread again to see what I did say.

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      5. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Communication is about understanding. I’m not asking you to cater to my feelings. I’m just giving you some feedback about how your words might be interpreted.

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      6. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
        Replying to @rgigger @HPluckrose

        If you continue to use them this way you might get a lot of people inferring things you don’t mean and feeling mischaracterized and there might be better ways of saying it that avoid that confusion. That’s all I’m saying.

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      7. In 9 days Vote. Them. Out.  🌊‏ @rgigger May 20
        Replying to @rgigger @HPluckrose

        Like I could refer to the group you refer to as “universal liberals” as racial violence denialists and get upset when people “take it the wrong way” but I won’t and if I did I wouldn’t be surprised if you complained about it.

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