I had this argument with a Muslim academic arguing for collectivism. He felt that people should be able to set up their own collectives & hold all members to certain rules but said he would leave one which didn't match his values so this just sounded like moral communities.https://twitter.com/Mecanek/status/996377952064540672 …
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I'd have no problem at all with people setting up their own collectives with their own values provided members of it were able to say 'Actually, I'm going to opt out of the 'draconian punishments for being gay' rule & be on my way now.' Of course, the grey area is with children.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Historically speaking though, these sorts of moral communities always come with extreme penalties for apostates; there are some pretty obvious contemporary examples (Islam, Amish, Branch Davidians)
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Also, those moral communities often hold values that are almost in always in conflict with the surrounding communities. By their very nature the need for a moral community has to be set apart from the morality of others - otherwise, how would the community differ from the whole
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By 'moral communities,' I am just referring to the moral norms of groups we set up. You could be in one here on Twitter which includes me but have two or three among your real life friends where the norms vary.
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I guess that relies on how broadly you define a moral community - I wouldn't call Twitters ToS a moral code, nor would i call our discussions about morality unique to a particular community as we have no real connection between us.
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No, I'm just referring to your choice of who you follow and talk to. A self-selected community. Twitter is not a moral community.
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In this case, the Muslim man was talking about a proper collective but the way he allowed for people to choose their own and come & go and set up with like-minded people, it was just a formalised version of what we all do - surround ourselves with people who get us & share values
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