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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 15

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Jan Bockma

      I had this argument with a Muslim academic arguing for collectivism. He felt that people should be able to set up their own collectives & hold all members to certain rules but said he would leave one which didn't match his values so this just sounded like moral communities.https://twitter.com/Mecanek/status/996377952064540672 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Jan Bockma @Mecanek
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      It doesn’t make any sense the other way round either: someone doesn’t want freedom and then complains about not being free to refuse freedom - but hey, I thought not being free was exactly what that person wanted?
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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 15

      I'd have no problem at all with people setting up their own collectives with their own values provided members of it were able to say 'Actually, I'm going to opt out of the 'draconian punishments for being gay' rule & be on my way now.' Of course, the grey area is with children.

      6:20 AM - 15 May 2018
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      • Iona Italia Sceptical Canuck E Ull 🇨🇦 (((Jim May))) 🇺🇸 Wizard Whateley Kerry Harrison Padhraic Jes Hinman Necco Wafers and Smarties aren't real candy
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        2. Necco Wafers and Smarties aren't real candy‏ @shouldITbonfire May 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Historically speaking though, these sorts of moral communities always come with extreme penalties for apostates; there are some pretty obvious contemporary examples (Islam, Amish, Branch Davidians)

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 15
          Replying to @shouldITbonfire

          We all have moral communities.

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        4. Necco Wafers and Smarties aren't real candy‏ @shouldITbonfire May 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I disagree with that, I think there are many people who's only communities are based on profession, hobby, and other interests of a non-moral nature. Sure, we all operate under some sort of legal system which is inherently a set of morals, but I wouldn't call that a community.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 15
          Replying to @shouldITbonfire

          Then we're talking about different things. You're seeing it as a much bigger thing than our tendency to seek out people with similar values for our friends and having certain unspoken boundaries. @Goddoesnt writes about them in Everybody is Wrong about God.

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        2. Jan Bockma‏ @Mecanek May 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think there is a responsibility to make sure these values are based on sound information. Do you have a good reason to kill gays? It's like the police shooting an unarmed person: it can be an honest mistake, or a serious lack of effort to check whether that person's armed 1/2

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        3. Jan Bockma‏ @Mecanek May 15
          Replying to @Mecanek @HPluckrose

          So if allowing homosexuality brings the wrath of God onto your community, that's almost as if gays are armed with heavy weaponry. But if you're going to hold them responsible, have you made enough effort to check that you're right about this information? 2/2

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        2. Jes Hinman‏ @jes_hinman May 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Funny enough, my grandparents grew up in communal colonies in midwestern US. It was religious based, but open to outsiders and free to come or go. Everyone expected to work, communal kitchens etc. most goods made local & worked well until after WW2

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        3. Jes Hinman‏ @jes_hinman May 15
          Replying to @jes_hinman @HPluckrose

          By then younger people not interested in farm or factory work and wanted more money for consumer goods and fashionable clothes travel etc. So the communal property was than divided and shares given to members. Went straight from socialist to a corporation

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        4. Jes Hinman‏ @jes_hinman May 15
          Replying to @jes_hinman @HPluckrose

          Is currently one of the largest farms and tourist destinations in the state

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        1. Absurd and Worse‏ @TheDecentTech May 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-communitarianism/ …

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