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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 15

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted (((ɹoqǝɹʇs ɹ ɔ)))

    I'd oppose any attempt to censor or no-platform Clem Ford generally but I think a suicide prevention service can reasonably find someone who says all men must die an unsuitable speaker.https://twitter.com/MetaRantz/status/996318260969664513 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    (((ɹoqǝɹʇs ɹ ɔ))) @MetaRantz
    @JDefiant9 @IonaItalia @Sexismisme @Hollymathnerd @DanielPryorr @HPluckrose @Halalcoholism @DurinnMcFurren @MurtadMilli @conflicted_poet @C_loureiroi @frozenbinarydev @SlagOffTwits I support free speech - even @clementine_ford’s bigoted hate speech, which is free speech. https://twitter.com/metarantz/status/996295667638136833 …
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      2. Ben Pobjie‏Verified account @benpobjie May 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don’t find her “all men must die” gag offensive, but I was a little shook when she responded to someone quoting male suicide stats by saying “goes to show how much men like killing people”

        2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
      3. James Spiller‏ @jamesbspiller May 15
        Replying to @benpobjie @HPluckrose

        Clem spoke her mind.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 15
        Replying to @jamesbspiller @benpobjie

        And her mind will therefore be evaluated on its contents.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. James Spiller‏ @jamesbspiller May 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose @benpobjie

        Yep.

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      2. (((ɹoqǝɹʇs ɹ ɔ)))‏ @MetaRantz May 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Somehow, I doubt *her* views are why the event was cancelled. From my reading of the situation thus far, there was more concern about the discussion *about* her views, not her views in and of themselves. I could be wrong and would be happy to be so.

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      3. Craig Munday‏ @csmunday May 15
        Replying to @MetaRantz @HPluckrose

        I think you are spot on. This is a direct quote from @LifelineAust Note how they don't say #KillAllMen is wrong.pic.twitter.com/wJ0n7sKPff

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      4. (((ɹoqǝɹʇs ɹ ɔ)))‏ @MetaRantz May 15
        Replying to @csmunday @HPluckrose @LifelineAust

        Absolutely.

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      1. Ben‏ @BristolBen May 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Free speech doesn’t imply that we should feel obliged to invite her to speak. It only means we must not stop others from doing so.

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      2. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense May 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The big question is how they ever considered her suitable in the first place. I fear the general state of society is far worse than most realise.

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      3. Craig Munday‏ @csmunday May 15
        Replying to @scarce_sense @HPluckrose

        This is what @LifelineAust stated about Clem's comments. They don't take issue with her #KillAllMen hashtag. LifeLine is perfectly fine with itpic.twitter.com/j0QJxoQR48

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense May 15
        Replying to @csmunday @HPluckrose @LifelineAust

        Being right for the wrong reasons is worse than being wrong. This is why you have to show your methods on a maths test.

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      2. Jan de Beer‏ @jsdebeer May 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Had been reasonable had they come to that conclusion on their own terms. But it looks like they buckled under the pressure of online outrage.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Craig Munday‏ @csmunday May 15
        Replying to @jsdebeer @HPluckrose

        You mean nearly 15000 people expressed their free speech. These people have no power to force LifeLine to change. LifeLine made that decision based upon the free speech of others

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Jan de Beer‏ @jsdebeer May 15
        Replying to @csmunday @HPluckrose

        Sure, but it's a run of the mill deplatforming campaign. One that's cheered on by people who are usually vehemently opposed to deplatforming campaigns.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Craig Munday‏ @csmunday May 15
        Replying to @jsdebeer @HPluckrose

        I don't see this as a deplatforming, it is more about people having had enough of the continual denigration of men by feminists like Clementine and Tracey Spicer, especially in the area of mental health where six men a day suicide

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      6. Jan de Beer‏ @jsdebeer May 15
        Replying to @csmunday @HPluckrose

        You're conflating method and motive.

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      7. Craig Munday‏ @csmunday May 15
        Replying to @jsdebeer @HPluckrose

        How so?

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      8. Jan de Beer‏ @jsdebeer May 15
        Replying to @csmunday @HPluckrose

        You're using a motive (people being fed up with Clementine Ford) to explain why their method (using informal power to stop her from speaking at a certain event) doesn't qualify as deplatforming.

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