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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14

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      This doesn't make sense either. Critics of identity politics are not people who ascribe other people's problems to their identity rather than to being genuine. Identity politics are a method of addressing problems and different to universal liberal methods of addressing them. https://twitter.com/theamazingjex/status/996113661444882433 …

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14

      eg, Kanye West says slavery was a choice. ID politics response: White people don't get to have an opinion on this because they'll be contributing to anti-blackness. Universal liberal response: Slavery was not a choice & saying so is morally reprehensible. @theamazingjex

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        2. David Carroll‏ @DaveEncompas0 May 14
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          1/Didn’t Kanye actually say that “*400* years of slavery *sounds* like a choice.” That’s the only audio clip I’ve run across. While clumsily worded, I think many might understand the spirit behind it: e.g. slavery ended over 140 years ago, and the reflexive emphasis on...

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        3. David Carroll‏ @DaveEncompas0 May 14
          Replying to @DaveEncompas0 @HPluckrose

          2/..historic grave injustices at every turn may plausibly be a psych. handicap that needs thoughtful recognition: every conceivable negative disparity currently for Afr.Americans posited as directly linked to slavery/Jim Crow could be abetting a complex ‘learned helplessness’.

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        4. David Carroll‏ @DaveEncompas0 May 14
          Replying to @DaveEncompas0 @HPluckrose

          3/If one is being charitable is that not perhaps what Kanye was *trying* to suggest, but in an ungraceful and clumsy manner? He’s no Socrates, but I can’t imagine he was seriously suggesting “slavery *was* a choice” in a literal sense, but maybe he did indeed say those words...?

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        5. Cool Catfish Emo Fam‏ @LadyLibertyCunt May 14
          Replying to @DaveEncompas0 @HPluckrose

          Yes, that’s clearly what he was getting at, and he explained it right afterwards (at 4:00), but all you see is the clip where it sounds like he means actual slavery. https://youtu.be/lWJBWU7asEg 

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        6. David Carroll‏ @DaveEncompas0 May 14
          Replying to @LadyLibertyCunt @HPluckrose

          Yeah, mob outrage can be engendered by willfully cherry-picking things out of holistic context -which denotes compulsive a priori ‘bad faith’- a practice now reaching pandemic proportions and seemingly no less among educated media pundits as in those untrained in journalism.

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        7. David Carroll‏ @DaveEncompas0 May 14
          Replying to @DaveEncompas0 @LadyLibertyCunt @HPluckrose

          Though, it must be said Kanye practically applied a bullseye to his back by not being rightly super careful with his wording...

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        8. David Carroll‏ @DaveEncompas0 May 14
          Replying to @DaveEncompas0 @LadyLibertyCunt @HPluckrose

          Then again, even if he had been explicit in seperating the 20th-21st C from the 17th, 18th and 19th, his mere suggestion that there may be a self-defeating psychological phenomenon currently at play would alone likely have been shouted down as a cruel act of victim-blaming.

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        9. Cool Catfish Emo Fam‏ @LadyLibertyCunt May 14
          Replying to @DaveEncompas0 @HPluckrose

          Yes, one thing I learned from the responses to the Google Memo by @JamesADamore is it makes no difference how well you articulate your points, or if they’re publicly available for anyone to see. If they counter a certain narrative, you are horrible.

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        1. Cool Catfish Emo Fam‏ @LadyLibertyCunt May 14
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Just to add, while Kanye is a weird one, he actually clarified pretty well right after saying that that he meant people are choosing to remain slaves today, not that slavery was a choice when it was legal.

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