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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14

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    People who hold liberal ethics do think those are morally superior but so do holders of all ethics or they wouldn't hold them. Even cultural relativists will argue for cultural relativism. We can't really escape having principles. But I accept disagreement & hope you stay with me https://twitter.com/RoxanneSSukhan/status/996097202022858752 …

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      2. Giulia Piccolino‏ @gpiccolino83 May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Colonialists were not applying liberal values to their colonies. They were using double standards and justifying them with racist arguments. Colonialism started to crumble when the colonized started saying: "so, you say democracy is great, let us vote"!

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
        Replying to @gpiccolino83

        I missed this. Yes, exactly.

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      2. Giulia Piccolino‏ @gpiccolino83 May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think Roxanne's point is criticizing the idea that values can be imposed and/or serve as a smokescreen for imperialism. A coherent liberal position goes that freedom cannot be imposed.

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      3. Jan Bockma‏ @Mecanek May 14
        Replying to @gpiccolino83 @HPluckrose

        It doesn’t seem a coherent position to me. Any person who can say ‘I don’t want to be free’ already lives the way he/she wants. Freedom shouldn’t change anything for that person. What he/she actually says is ‘I don’t want others to be free’.

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      2. Arson Welles‏ @astigmatix May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        True @ holders of all ethics. If you did not believe that an ethical principle or value was superior, there would be no reason for you to hold it in the first place. But then it is also an ethical principle to allow for the possibility that there MAY BE a better one out there.

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      3. Arson Welles‏ @astigmatix May 14
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        I suppose I am touching upon the idea of beliefs and principles being contingent at best.

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      1. Niels Roode‏ @njroode May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        now that was poetry.

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