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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted War Replaced With Free Everything

    Here's the thing tho. People who are racist don't actually get distressed enough about being called racist that they shed tears. They don't think that's a bad thing. Accusations can only sting if you share the accuser's perception that the charge is a serious moral failing.https://twitter.com/johnpike15/status/995902634379759616 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    War Replaced With Free Everything @johnpike15
    Replying to @IonaItalia
    Iona ... am I missing something? Isn't this article about WOC confonting WW, and then those WW getting defensive? How is this about self-hating white people? These sound more like white women who are actually acting racist, if not deliberately.
    5:16 AM - 14 May 2018
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    • 🌴Baloo the Bear🌴 Harold Weaver Smith (((Rubie))) Jack Murphy Henry Wimbush Tom Clarke Silvio Capobianco Village Cynic Giulia Piccolino
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      2. Randy McGregor‏ @Ramcgreg May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The accusation is that the tears are fake, revealing deception, not distress. Interestingly sexist accusation, BTW. Female emotional blackmail.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
        Replying to @Ramcgreg

        Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

        Yeah, that's why I said this first.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/995984423333056512 …

        Helen Pluckrose added,

        Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
        The reality is that only the most skilled actors can produce tears on demand to achieve an effect. Generally, people cry because they are feeling deeply distressed. Worthwhile conversations about developing resilience & thick skins can be had but not about the colour of that skin https://twitter.com/IonaItalia/status/995902988358176768 …
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      2. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Could you clarify the logic here? Is it not right to point out prejudice even if the ultimate source is resolute? Not dissimilar to calling out those would limit speech based on its "gross offense." The point is to broadcast a corrupt ideology, no?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
        Replying to @HereInThere

        I'm saying racists don't care about being called racist and so are less likely to cry about it. Therefore people crying about it are less likely to be racist. You seem to have imagined a bit where I recommended not pointing out that racists are racist and that this is bad.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. ChemicalAgency‏ @HereInThere May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Ok, appreciate the clarification.

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      2. Баба-яга‏ @lesmothian May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think that there is still a social stigma that even people who are unabashedly racist want to avoid. This is why you get things like the redefining of the word to "power + prejudice" and "race realism".

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      3. Баба-яга‏ @lesmothian May 14
        Replying to @lesmothian @HPluckrose

        (Not to say the people in question here are actual racists of course. I don't know them.)

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      4. Giulia Piccolino‏ @gpiccolino83 May 14
        Replying to @lesmothian @HPluckrose

        I would say it is people who do not have much power who weaponize their tears. Racists with power do not need to. Never seen Marine Le Pen crying when accused to be racist.

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      5. Баба-яга‏ @lesmothian May 14
        Replying to @gpiccolino83 @HPluckrose

        I think it's a mistake to say that the women in the article don't have any power because Le Pen exists. There are different spheres of power with different methods of expressing it. Showing emotion as a leader of a country might lose power, where the opposite is true elsewhere.

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      6. Giulia Piccolino‏ @gpiccolino83 May 14
        Replying to @lesmothian @HPluckrose

        If you are the boss, even in a random workplace, you usually do not cry when called out for bad behaviour. It is the little bully whose game has been denounced and who risks punishment that would cry.

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      7. Баба-яга‏ @lesmothian May 14
        Replying to @gpiccolino83 @HPluckrose

        Traditional hierarchical structures like governments and workplaces are not the only loci of power that exist. Having high standing in a social group - though intangible - is also a form of power, and there are groups where being perceived as under attack confers status.

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      1. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Ugh is this about "white woman tears"... Such a confusing concept, it's apparently not about crying, or sadness. It's just about racism. It makes no sense.

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