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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 13

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Sam Smith

      I don't think so. When we set out what we are measuring for - gender/racial/LGBT equality - this is then fairly easy to measure. What makes people uncomfortable is the knowledge that historically much disparagement of other cultures has been racist & imperialist.https://twitter.com/SSS_music/status/995819055247323136 …

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      Sam Smith @SSS_music
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      The idea that some countries/cultures ARE doing better than others is not the same as the idea that this could be effectively measured. The former is undoubtedly true, but doubts about the latter are what make people uncomfortable.
      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
    2. Sam Smith‏ @SSS_music May 13
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Those things definitely matter, and they can and should be measured. But when we talk about cultures being “morally superior” overall, that becomes harder to quantify (but concepts like well-being/flourishing are helpful).

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 13
      Replying to @SSS_music

      Well-being & flourishing can certainly be linked to moral policies but they could also be linked to wealth so less clear-cut as things like human rights and equality.

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    4. Sam Smith‏ @SSS_music May 13
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Definitely less clear-cut. Would you agree that it could be possible (in theory) for a culture to score very high on human rights/equality, but still low on overall well-being?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 13
      Replying to @SSS_music

      Yes, the first would be the moral measure tho and we were talking about a moral measure.

      7:17 PM - 13 May 2018
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        2. Sam Smith‏ @SSS_music May 13
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Increasing well-being isn’t an issue of morals?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
          Replying to @SSS_music

          ??? That is what we base our morality on but no, you couldn't say that having greater wellbeing makes one more moral. This could be a matter of wealth. I think you have to measure ethical policies themselves. But I've said this. If you still don't see it, lets leave it.

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        4. Sam Smith‏ @SSS_music May 14
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I didn’t mean that HAVING greater well being makes one more moral - I meant that policies which increase well-being are more moral. How are we measuring moral/ethical policies if not on the degree to which they improve well-being?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
          Replying to @SSS_music

          Yes, and I am saying that its the policies themselves we can measure. We don't disagree on that and I have argued it many times. Can we leave it now if you still don't understand my point? I can't clarify any better than I have.

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