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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 13

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted scarydreg

    It's completely incoherent too. The people who argue that we must respect different moral values in other cultures because cultures can only be judged by their own standards are usually the same people who say we live in a rape culture and that it must be changed.https://twitter.com/HarveyBarker5/status/995784877004881920 …

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    scarydreg @HarveyBarker5
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    Cultural relativism is silly.
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      2. Maggie Smith‏ @MagtathMaggie May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        A #culture is composed of people both good and bad: can it be judged on the whole or do you have to examine individuals?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
        Replying to @MagtathMaggie

        Individuals should be treated as individuals, yes. No-one has to examine cultures at all but it helps if you want to change them. A culture will not tell us anything about any specific individual. In every culture which condemns homosexuality, there will be people fighting that.

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      4. Maggie Smith‏ @MagtathMaggie May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think cultures as a whole have always denounced homosexuality on the basis that it is not "natural". The individual, as opposed to the mass culture, will change #culture when there are enough individuals of like mind.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 14
        Replying to @MagtathMaggie

        That will be a cultural change - lots of individuals of the same mind. The zeitgeist changes. We can still treat individuals as individuals and cultures as cultures. That was we can support liberal individuals trying to change their culture for the better. See Saudi Arabia

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      2. Meowski Catovitch‏ @catovitch May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And that people have to be judged by the cultures of their ancestors which don't even exist anymore.

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      1. StewPhen‏ @SteveA_NotSmith May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's not like they hesitate to (rightly) criticize rightwing white christians in other countries for their cultural values. It's not "relativism is good" so much as "punching down is bad" as the starting moral principle. Relativism is just a convenient post hoc rationalization

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      1. Daniel Barnes‏ @danielbsays May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If you think cultural relativism is bad, wait till you try cultural absolutism.

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      1. Special Snowflake‏ @zedverism211 May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Is "respecting other cultures" also a relative value? If so then not respecting other cultures is equally good. If not then we need objective values.

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      2. Drama llama‏ @SanePelican May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        What about people who move to the west from a theocratic culture? Should they continue to live by sharia law essentially building a parallel culture, or respect western culture?

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      3. The 'Bone Saw Babe' Yukster  🇯🇵  🇺🇸‏ @SetagayaGirl May 13
        Replying to @SanePelican @HPluckrose

        Why would one move to a culture they didn't respect? For colonialism?

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      1. Hsaur‏ @HS_Saur May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        To be fair, they don’t think it’s right to change someone else’s culture because we judge it inferior as happened in colonialism, changing ones own culture is perfectly acceptable and even necessary.

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      1. Galapagos Flightless Cormorant‏ @CommonCormorant May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Please. Never change. ♥

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      1. Kevin Gutzman‏ @KevinGutzman May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Cultural relativism contradicts itself.

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      1. Juventina‏ @LaGobba May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I would pin this tweet of yours if I could.

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      1. Chihuahua Books™‏ @Pablo_Chihuahua May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose @invisimono

        Elegantly put. Kolakowski makes a beautiful case in "Looking for the Barbarians: The Illusions of Cultural Universalism." Highly recommended.

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      1. Phillip Pullin‏ @olinesrule May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Everyone must embrace multiculturalism. Except for this group. And this group. OK. Let me start over. You must embrace multiculturalism. Don't ask about anyone else. It's for your own good. We all hate you. We'll make up a reason, later. Did I mention, it's for your own good?

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      1. Dave Thompson‏ @DaveJohnT May 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Indeedy. Whose culture? Whose law? Whose moral values? There's an assumption that moral values are unanimously endorsed by the individuals within any named culture/state/religion, rather than actively contested (eg women within Saudi Arabia).

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      1. Shadrach Alligator-1 Edwards‏ @ShadWonderguy May 13
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Cultural relativism is what allows me to judge the slave owning founding fathers as great and noble men. It has it’s place.

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