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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 12

    The child continues to revise for her Religious Studies exam. She's having a hard time with Christianity coz she has a very literal & mathematical brain. The idea of the Trinity being 3 separate entities and also a whole & Christ being 100% human & 100% God is too much for her.

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      2. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I sympathise. I teach it for a living and a lot of my students struggle with it. Best advice is that she doesn’t need to agree with it, and that when she finds herself thinking “this just doesn’t make sense” she should save that for evaluation in her essays.

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      3. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @sirknapp @HPluckrose

        Which exam board is she studying it for?

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      4. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @sirknapp @HPluckrose

        My advice is that she remembers the following main points (with these short signposts) - 3 Gospels Baptism The baptism of Jesus is the only time that we see all three parts of the trinity at the same time, and in is written about in three gospels.

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      5. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @sirknapp @HPluckrose

        - 1+1+1=1 This means that although each part of the trinity is believed to be completely while, and completely separate from each other, they are all part of one God. (Doesn’t have to make sense to her for her to get marks explaining it)

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      6. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @sirknapp @HPluckrose

        JF,FH,SP Jesus Flesh Father Heaven Spirit Power Jesus is god made flesh, the Father is god in heaven, and the Holy Spirit is an invisible power of god. I find my students can usually expand out if they remember these few signposts.

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      7. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @sirknapp @HPluckrose

        If she sees a question about the trinity when she reads through the paper she should jot down 3 gospels baptism 1+1+1=1 JF,FH,SP She’s got enough there to write an essay about (assuming she’s doing the gcse on Monday with OCR) Ignore if not helpful.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 12
        Replying to @sirknapp

        She is, yes. Thank you!

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      9. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Least I could do, I’ve enjoyed your twitter feed for a while. I’m about tomorrow, tweet if she has any questions. Happy to help if I can. I’m not as bright as you so I had to learn it all the hard way, which might help her! Shout if she has questions, genuinely happy to help.

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      2. MarleneJ‏ @mjaeckel May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If I may offer a suggestion? I find it helpful to think of the Trinity and God’s different “faces” as a kaleidoscope. They’re all contained in one form, much like reflectors in a tube that presents different images when you rotate it.

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      3. MarleneJ‏ @mjaeckel May 12
        Replying to @mjaeckel @HPluckrose

        Admittedly, it’s certainly not the way that theologians would describe it, but it does help my analytical brain to understand a concept that doesn’t logically make sense but that I nonetheless believe in.

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      4. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon May 12
        Replying to @mjaeckel @HPluckrose

        I'll remember this when somebody jaws on about how "alienating" the Internet is!

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      1. John Dahlstrand‏ @jrdahlst May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Recovering Lutheran here, & not that I want to encourage religion, but for her literal & mathematical brain: regarding the trinity; a triangle has 3 distinct sides & yet is one object. Can't help with Christ 100% God & man though—maybe look for something in general relativity.

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      1. Tom Clarke‏ @tomeclarke May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It’s a good warm up for Quantum Mechanics.

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      1. Atheist Revolution‏ @vjack May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        My favorite was always the transubstantiation nonsense. Nothing quite like crackers turning into Jesus and people eating him.

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      1. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If it makes her feel better, the Trinity taxed early Christian thinking for centuries, helped further divide East/West over the "Filioque" problem, and non-trinitarians (eg Arians) just never seem to stop popping up (eg Jehovah's Witnesses) All considered shes doing pretty good!

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      1. José Luis González‏ @JoseLuisGMex May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You celebrity-atheist types with your skepticism and your literalism can't grasp that 1+1+1=1 Alexandre Dumas and DC Comics provide evidence for the truth of the Holy Trinity, man.

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      1. Tom Derandere‏ @TTDerandere May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In mathematics we have Tychonoff separation axioms, by which the Trinity is not so very strange. Perhaps the Trinity is T1, and not Hausdorff. I confess I don't know what it would be like to have the unconditional love of such a thing.

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      1. Ari  ⚡️‏ @Ariwl1Ray May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        As a Christian, I'll just say God invented math so it checks out. 🙃 *don't tell her to say this. I have no idea what answer she needs to give and it's probably not this one either* 🤣

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      2. Darryl Richard‏ @darrylrichard23 May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Veracity of religion aside, it is such a strange interpretation. Had I read the bible without any outside influence, I would never have come to this conclusion about the nature of God and Jesus.

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      3. Darryl Richard‏ @darrylrichard23 May 12
        Replying to @darrylrichard23 @HPluckrose

        I honestly don't think whoever wrote it meant for it to be interpreted that way.

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