What Jones or Shapiro or Peterson or Carl Benjamin do - in its form and its social function - is not, for good or ill, intellectual. It’s part of an expanded form of the op-ed form and shaped in large part by what it’s market demands.
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Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton
I don't think there was anyone called 'Jones' on the list or Carl Benjamin. Has anyone called him an intellectual? I'm not sure what Shapiro does. I see conservative tweets at times. Peterson seems to go on mostly about Jungian archetypes & bible stories.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ProfAFinlayson
This seems to me the problem from the start. Who are the members of this IDW. I read that Helen was a members and if so, she certainly doesn't fit Alan's labels.
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Replying to @dpxton @ProfAFinlayson
There was a list of about 15 people but the term gets thrown around a lot and tends to include different people depending on the values of the speaker and whether they regard it positively or not.
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Leftists who like it will make it swing left by including more leftists & chopping off the most conservative & conservatives will do the opposite. If inclined to dislike it, an individual will make it include the worst elements on the other side and condemn the whole lot.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton
What about the genre or the social function/relationships makes this either 'dark' or 'intellectual'?
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Well, when names are part of a claim about the nature of a thing then they are worth caring about. But this is mostly about form and function - and I’m getting no answers on that, only complaints that it’s unfair and mean of me to reject a name.
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Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton
You are? I didn't see that so can't comment. I don't care what you think of the name. This seems to be a subjective thing. I don't like it either. I'm more concerned about labelling intellectually & politically diverse people as a way to reject all of them. Tribalism.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton
Well, this all started with me registering an objection to a name. On the other hand, if we can’t use single terms to name classes of things then we can’t get very far in thinking about them.
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Precisely the reason those individuals should not be given a group name. They are not in a class. They are politically & ideologically diverse & better considered that way. Me, on this.pic.twitter.com/xozgVU796e
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Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton
Things can be unlike in one way and alike in another.
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Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton
Yes, Alan, they can. And people inclined to lump together everyone who criticises the academic and SocJus left will lump everyone from left-liberals to neo-nazis together because they think tribally.
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