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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @dpxton @ProfAFinlayson

      I have said all I want to say on the topic of an IDW. And I'm not sure how you prove that someone's motivations aren't the most nefarious their detractors can posit, though you can easily point to any of them speaking factually or opining.

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    2. Alan Finlayson‏ @ProfAFinlayson May 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton

      People’s motivations are not at issue. It’s about genre and social relationships. We don’t distinguish between a sermon, a sales pitch, a political oration or a philosophical discourse with reference to motivation.

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    3. Alan Finlayson‏ @ProfAFinlayson May 11
      Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @HPluckrose @dpxton

      What Jones or Shapiro or Peterson or Carl Benjamin do - in its form and its social function - is not, for good or ill, intellectual. It’s part of an expanded form of the op-ed form and shaped in large part by what it’s market demands.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton

      I don't think there was anyone called 'Jones' on the list or Carl Benjamin. Has anyone called him an intellectual? I'm not sure what Shapiro does. I see conservative tweets at times. Peterson seems to go on mostly about Jungian archetypes & bible stories.

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    5. (((Daz Xton)))‏ @dpxton May 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ProfAFinlayson

      This seems to me the problem from the start. Who are the members of this IDW. I read that Helen was a members and if so, she certainly doesn't fit Alan's labels.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @dpxton @ProfAFinlayson

      There was a list of about 15 people but the term gets thrown around a lot and tends to include different people depending on the values of the speaker and whether they regard it positively or not.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton @ProfAFinlayson

      Leftists who like it will make it swing left by including more leftists & chopping off the most conservative & conservatives will do the opposite. If inclined to dislike it, an individual will make it include the worst elements on the other side and condemn the whole lot.

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    8. Alan Finlayson‏ @ProfAFinlayson May 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton

      What about the genre or the social function/relationships makes this either 'dark' or 'intellectual'?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton

      ??? I don't care about the name.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Alan Finlayson‏ @ProfAFinlayson May 12
      Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton

      Well, when names are part of a claim about the nature of a thing then they are worth caring about. But this is mostly about form and function - and I’m getting no answers on that, only complaints that it’s unfair and mean of me to reject a name.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 12
      Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton

      You are? I didn't see that so can't comment. I don't care what you think of the name. This seems to be a subjective thing. I don't like it either. I'm more concerned about labelling intellectually & politically diverse people as a way to reject all of them. Tribalism.

      7:47 AM - 12 May 2018
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        2. Alan Finlayson‏ @ProfAFinlayson May 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton

          Well, this all started with me registering an objection to a name. On the other hand, if we can’t use single terms to name classes of things then we can’t get very far in thinking about them.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 12
          Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton

          Precisely the reason those individuals should not be given a group name. They are not in a class. They are politically & ideologically diverse & better considered that way. Me, on this.pic.twitter.com/xozgVU796e

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        4. Alan Finlayson‏ @ProfAFinlayson May 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose @dpxton

          Things can be unlike in one way and alike in another.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 12
          Replying to @ProfAFinlayson @dpxton

          Yes, Alan, they can. And people inclined to lump together everyone who criticises the academic and SocJus left will lump everyone from left-liberals to neo-nazis together because they think tribally.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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