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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Chris Baker

      At first, I thought, "Right, so if we can't make women make the same choices as men, on average, try to get men to make the same choices as women?" but on reading it, I actually approve. Making it easier for men to do more flexible & fewer hours on becoming fathers would be good.https://twitter.com/Zacnaloen/status/994901321839972358 …

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      Chris Baker @Zacnaloen
      Lower overall family income, but hey, at least its equitable https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/10/help-men-work-less-to-close-gender-pay-gap-says-thinktank?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true …
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    2. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen May 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      These things always sound good but my criticism about household incomes stands at this point.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @Zacnaloen

      That's always the cost of having a better work/life balance and will likely be a reason why many people won't take advantage of having the opportunity to have one.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz May 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Zacnaloen

      Also, people make those choices all the time. My husband doesn’t want to progress any further because he’d see us less and the extra few £k wouldn’t be worth our family time.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Matthew‏ @Hiryuu_Honyaku May 11
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @HPluckrose @Zacnaloen

      So you're saying those men that don't already make that choice should be coerced/artificially encouraged into doing so? Because we can't reach forced 50/50 otherwise?

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    6. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen May 11
      Replying to @Hiryuu_Honyaku @HPluckrose

      As long as it's a choice, and everyone gets given the same choices... honestly not much is going to change from current situation. Most mums will choose to be the primary care giver.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
      Replying to @Zacnaloen @Hiryuu_Honyaku

      I think it might change for a few people. So many couples I know have said the man didn't have the option to reduce hours and so it was down to her to do so. It was the case for us.

      6:00 AM - 11 May 2018
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        2. Matthew‏ @Hiryuu_Honyaku May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Zacnaloen

          Not every industry can afford to employ people with flexible hours. I would not be surprised to see most of those industries are also the ones with the higher % men.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
          Replying to @Hiryuu_Honyaku @Zacnaloen

          Do they cost more? But if a company really can't manage part-timers or flexible hours for some reason, I suppose it can't. I don't know enough about it. I just think they should offer men the same opportunities as women.

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        4. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Hiryuu_Honyaku @Zacnaloen

          I think it can make things awkward for employers but not necessarily more costly. Some of the dads at my company are on flexible working patters. The government doesn’t discriminate with its guidelines eitherhttps://www.gov.uk/flexible-working …

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        5. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen May 11
          Replying to @lizlozlizloz @HPluckrose @Hiryuu_Honyaku

          I couldn't be bothered to look it up, but I didn't think there was any implied discrimination in the guide lines that would prevent people making these decisions already. Good to know.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
          Replying to @Zacnaloen @Hiryuu_Honyaku

          Just in practice, probably. My husband's last job found itself able to have flexible and part-time workers in the office (women) and not on the factory floor (men).

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