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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Chris Baker

      At first, I thought, "Right, so if we can't make women make the same choices as men, on average, try to get men to make the same choices as women?" but on reading it, I actually approve. Making it easier for men to do more flexible & fewer hours on becoming fathers would be good.https://twitter.com/Zacnaloen/status/994901321839972358 …

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      Chris Baker @Zacnaloen
      Lower overall family income, but hey, at least its equitable https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/10/help-men-work-less-to-close-gender-pay-gap-says-thinktank?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true …
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11

      It's very unlikely that men & women will start making the same choices in the same numbers re: work/life balance if they have the same opportunities to do so but this is no reason not to try to make sure they do have the same opportunities.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11

      The headline 'Men should work less to close gender pay gap' is misleading & silly. Giving them the opportunity to have a better work/life balance is a noble goal. The fact that it might also reduce the pay gap is incidental and not a reason to do that.

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        1. The Orthogon‏ @garden_the_mind May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes, attempts at social engineering through positive incentives isn't the problem, i.e. "encouraging men to do X". The problem is when "Men should.." and "Men need to.." leads to anti-market laws against negotiation in the workplace, negotiating by proxy, automatic raises, etc.

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        2. T.J.‏ @tjaffry May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That’s all well in good but I’m afraid the national wage gap will not disappear completely when it’s frankly impossible to have some fields like genders studies & psychology make the same money as business or engineering.

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        3. T.J.‏ @tjaffry May 11
          Replying to @tjaffry @HPluckrose

          To balance that out you’d have to pay men less than women in more lucrative professions where more men are employed than women.

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        4. T.J.‏ @tjaffry May 11
          Replying to @tjaffry @HPluckrose

          P.S. I’m for paid paternal leave, on a take it or leave it basis.

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        1. Rob McMillin‏ @scareduck May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          “Misleading” from the perspective of the author, probably not. The wage gap is a self-licking lollipop because the sexes will never make the same choices at a population level. Men will prefer money, women family time.

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        1. Simon Tuffen‏ @SimonTuffen May 11
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          Yes, it certainly doesnt make sense for men to earn less in order to close the wage gap with their partners!

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