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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10

      JD showed evidence that men & women have different interests on average. Irrational ideologues claimed this meant women were biologically inferior. (WTF?!) A claim that 'women are inferior' is not inherently irrational. It is either true or untrue depending on criteria.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10

      If we are grading on ability to do pull-ups or urinate up a wall, women are going to come out badly on these skills. However, we do not judge superiority or inferiority in this way & to suggest we should would be irrational. Fortunately, nobody at all does that.

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    3. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I've suspected for a long time that these people DO look at this way. That everything male/masculine is superior to the female/feminine. Earning more money is superior to having a good relationship with your children. Tech is a more important field than nursing, or whatever. Etc.

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    4. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      It's some sort of circular reasoning. Since men have been oppressors, if men have or do something then it must be good. Thus if women were the ones tending the household, this must be of lower value. I dunno, it's really difficult to dress it in rational terms, because it's not.

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    5. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      Just thinking out loud here but.. Surely different ideologies exist, but sometimes it just seems it comes down to language. So when I say 'different', they hear 'unequal', or 'superior/inferior', because to them those are synonyms.

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    6. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      OR that IS how they see things. That if people are different, then based on some criteria or other, one MUST be superior. This is also why they so strongly object to this thinking, because if they were to agree, they themselves would have to start to believe that

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    7. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      men are superior to women. Or if they were to acknowledge average IQ difference between populations they would have no choice but to become nazis...?

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    8. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      And maybe that very basal way of looking at things, of understanding the world, is what lies at the bottom of this ideological divide?

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    9. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      Helen, why do you think this breakdown in communication is taking place? I read your piece of FoS and when reading your definition that's 100% what I hear when you just say "Freedom of Speech".

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    10. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      While someone else is equally convinced that what you're really saying is "I support hurling racial slurs around willy-nilly". Why is this? I'm quite baffled.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin

      You have a universal liberal outlook and the postmodern-inspired way of seeing the world is alien to you.

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        1. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Right. But does this mean that we will never bridge this divide? What is the solution?

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