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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Ben

      So much dishonesty, "They called on science & reason to support James Damore saying women were biologically inferior but refuse to acknowledge that it's irrational to say that people are inferior because they're women." (Paraphrasing) Lies but illogical even if it were truehttps://twitter.com/BristolBen/status/994245846433705984 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Ben @BristolBen
      “They would have us return to an age, one not so very long ago, when the ideas that black people should not be slaves, that women should be allowed to vote... were considered heresy” She’s talking about Sam Harris, Christina Hoff Sommers, et al, here! 😳😂 This is surreal. https://twitter.com/susanthesquark/status/993943977245130752 …
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10

      JD showed evidence that men & women have different interests on average. Irrational ideologues claimed this meant women were biologically inferior. (WTF?!) A claim that 'women are inferior' is not inherently irrational. It is either true or untrue depending on criteria.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10

      If we are grading on ability to do pull-ups or urinate up a wall, women are going to come out badly on these skills. However, we do not judge superiority or inferiority in this way & to suggest we should would be irrational. Fortunately, nobody at all does that.

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    4. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I've suspected for a long time that these people DO look at this way. That everything male/masculine is superior to the female/feminine. Earning more money is superior to having a good relationship with your children. Tech is a more important field than nursing, or whatever. Etc.

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    5. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      It's some sort of circular reasoning. Since men have been oppressors, if men have or do something then it must be good. Thus if women were the ones tending the household, this must be of lower value. I dunno, it's really difficult to dress it in rational terms, because it's not.

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    6. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      Just thinking out loud here but.. Surely different ideologies exist, but sometimes it just seems it comes down to language. So when I say 'different', they hear 'unequal', or 'superior/inferior', because to them those are synonyms.

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    7. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      OR that IS how they see things. That if people are different, then based on some criteria or other, one MUST be superior. This is also why they so strongly object to this thinking, because if they were to agree, they themselves would have to start to believe that

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    8. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      men are superior to women. Or if they were to acknowledge average IQ difference between populations they would have no choice but to become nazis...?

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    9. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

      And maybe that very basal way of looking at things, of understanding the world, is what lies at the bottom of this ideological divide?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 10
      Replying to @gsmp_martin

      Yes, absolutely. It's counterintuitive but it comes down to this belief that the world is constructed by discourses - ways of talking about things - and that everything is culturally constructed in this way within hierarchies of identities. Saying things makes it reality.pic.twitter.com/J6DWlEPK3j

      5:58 AM - 10 May 2018
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        2. YLI‏ @YLIUAY May 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          you link this often but i think jstangroom recently criticized at least the short form - do you have longer conversations from a historic vs modern usage context with the philosopher sorts?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
          Replying to @YLIUAY

          I don't know what the last bit means. This is way I look at it. https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/ …https://areomagazine.com/2018/02/07/no-postmodernism-is-not-dead-and-other-misconceptions/ …

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        4. YLI‏ @YLIUAY May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Sorry that was confusing - still used to trying to cut down for 140. I guess I was looking for not as much a longer article but a discussion or debate about fuller context and history with someone w/contrary views and is more of a philosopher [as in not an activist sj type]

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
          Replying to @YLIUAY

          . I'm less interested in philosophical precursors to postmodernism than its key ideas and how they've evolved and are being implemented now. Stephen Hicks' Understanding Postmodernism & David Detmer's Challenging Postmodernism might be what you're looking for.

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        6. YLI‏ @YLIUAY May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The history evolving into the current is the full context i was referring to in this case - thanks for the recs. i do find it more engrossing and sometimes deeper to have 2 to 4 voices contrasting and complementing each other - at least when done in mutually respectful format

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 11
          Replying to @YLIUAY

          Well, that's what I sent. You can find me responding to someone else in 'Skepticism is needed in our Post-truth Age. Postmodernism is not.'

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        2. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          "Saying things make it reality". It just occured to me that the reason some want to make certain topics verboten, is because they think if you entertain the possibily of say IQ varying between populations, you open the door to becoming a nazi if that is what the data shows. And

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        3. Martin Kaye‏ @gsmp_martin May 11
          Replying to @gsmp_martin @HPluckrose

          if you're open to becoming a nazi, you already are one. Hence the accusations being hurled based on nothing else but being open to discuss certain ideas.

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