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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 9

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted fake geek guy

      Don't be that person who reads a lengthy analysis of intersectionality which goes back to the source, calls on many others, engages with recent analyses, identifies three main problems and details them at length and then says,https://twitter.com/light_rook/status/994276397441990656 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      fake geek guy @light_rook
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      It seems like his only objection to intersectionality is that leftists care about it?
      1 reply 1 retweet 23 likes
    2. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I was hoping my objections would be clear from that, but let's walk over his arguments:

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    3. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
      Replying to @light_rook @HPluckrose

      > 1. Intersectionality Employs Dangerous and Imprecise Language Here he objects to the fact that xality "presupposes that most people in the United States suffer from oppression" ... but that's not an idea specific to xality, just a general objection to using a leftist framework

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    4. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
      Replying to @light_rook @HPluckrose

      > 2. Intersectionality Encourages Ideological Uniformity and Fosters Groupthink Again, gives some examples of groupthink found in xional thinkers, but gives no reason to think that this in exceeds the usual found in left spaces or even just activist spaces (which r prone to it)

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    5. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
      Replying to @light_rook @HPluckrose

      > 3. Intersectionality Necessitates Radicalism > Thus, intersectionality is made to function at the service of Marxism political projects Yes, a lot of xal though is done by people who...already consider themselves Marxists. So this should be neither surprising nor revealing

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 9
      Replying to @light_rook

      The Marxists generally hate the intersectionals. They feel they stole the left from them and made it bourgeois and took it out of the working classes spaces and into the universities.

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    7. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      uh, how many Marxists do you know? this has been absolutely not my experience with them...

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 9
      Replying to @light_rook

      Quite a few! We used not to get on because they considered me too liberal but since I have been criticising the postmodern left, we've found common ground on that at least. They ask me to circulate this. http://www.communistvoice.org/15cPostmodern.html …

      11:51 AM - 9 May 2018
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        2. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Interesting, thanks for the share!

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        3. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
          Replying to @light_rook @HPluckrose

          I think that the Marxist objection to postmodernism is pretty universal, but Intersectionality also makes sense inside a Marxist framework without having to bite some of the nasty postmodernist bullets.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 9
          Replying to @light_rook

          I don't what that intersectionality can be, then. It's certainly not what Gonzalez is criticising.

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        5. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Right, I guess I'm objecting to the fact that Gonzalez is criticism xality as practiced by it's original milleu *because* it's being practiced in the milleu where that term was coined, rather than the ideas themselves which have found use far outside that narrow group

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        6. fake geek guy‏ @light_rook May 9
          Replying to @light_rook @HPluckrose

          So perhaps my original tweet should've been "Seems like his only objection to intersectionality is the leftists that care about it?"

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