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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted (((A Student, For Real)))

    Precisely. If feminists get 'burned' time and time again by men while the majority of us manage to go through life having perfectly safe, healthy and rewarding relationships with both halves of the population, perhaps it should be considered whether feminism is the problem.https://twitter.com/J_indetroit/status/993822020025626624 …

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    (((A Student, For Real))) @J_indetroit
    If we want to "believe there are good men," maybe we can look at our sons, fathers, brothers, husbands, friends, and coworkers and think about how saying we don’t see any good men sounds to them. https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/993811330460209152 …
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      2. Not-A-Nation Ball  🇧🇪‏ @MrBelgiumBall May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's also true that some women who have been abused (perhaps multiple times) turn to feminism. I empathise with them even though they have the bad tendency to project their own suffering onto society.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
        Replying to @MrBelgiumBall

        Yes, I feel the same way about ex-Muslims who become anti-Muslims and ally with right-wing anti-Muslim bigots rather than liberal critics of Islam. It is hard to blame them for feeling that way although it makes critique of Islam & support of liberal & ex Muslims harder.

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      2. Egil Moeller‏ @redhog_org May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Or you have just mixed up cause and effect?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
        Replying to @redhog_org

        The feminists are the ones who have had bad experiences with men? But they keep having them. This sounds more like a problem with perception to me tho I'm aware that people can make the same mistakes repeatedly. I think 'Feminists are women with failed relationships' is trite tho

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      2. Māyā‏ @MayaOfAuckland May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Feminism means a lot of different things. What I'd call mainstream feminism has nothing to do with hating men, merely with wanting equal opportunity, pay, respect, etc - i.e. normal human rights. Like other things (communism, liberalism) the label has been hijacked by a minority.

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      3. Goblin‏ @LordFitzgoblin May 11
        Replying to @MayaOfAuckland @HPluckrose

        You have all that already. Any differences are due to personal choice, not sexism.

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      4. Māyā‏ @MayaOfAuckland May 12
        Replying to @LordFitzgoblin @HPluckrose

        Not entirely true, there is still a gender pay gap after adjustment for differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. It is decreasing, I'm glad to say, so it look as though mainstream feminism is working.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 12
        Replying to @MayaOfAuckland @LordFitzgoblin

        What makes you think so?

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      6. Māyā‏ @MayaOfAuckland May 12
        Replying to @HPluckrose @LordFitzgoblin

        All the surveys and news items I've seen indicate that the gender pay gap has narrowed, but I may be biased by mainly getting New Zealand news. Certainly, recent legislation by the NZ govt has helped with this.

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      1. Mike‏ @citation_needed May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Nailed it - if you meet an arsehole once in the morning, you met an arsehole. If everyone you meet all day is an arsehole, then you should check the mirror.

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      1. T.J.‏ @tjaffry May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        They believe there are no good men, and their male “allies” also believe that, and then they’re surprised when it turns out those allies are not good men... 🙄

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      1. Goblin‏ @LordFitzgoblin May 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Thatv is probably the best response to feminism I've heard. Men and women are designed to get along and support each other.

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      1. Wally the Iggy‏ @WallytheIggy May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Well said. Men are not the cause of every grievance that feminists have and the vast majority of men are good blokes. Perhaps feminists need to look in the mirror and be sure that they are "good women" before pointing fingers. Woof!

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      1. Miguel Eduardo de León de la Cruz, Quisqueyano‏ @xchixm May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah

        Or perhaps it's the feminist's fault for surrounding herself with such terrible men, which she attracts by being feminist.

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      1. B.Bravo‏ @steverific May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Ohhh.... that must've hit hard!

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      1. Raijin Black‏ @OmegaRaijin May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That would actually require them to take accountability and responsibility. If feminists have bad experience with men 99% of the time, maybe the issue is them.

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