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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Technically that's true. But what's the point of freedom of speech if there's no dialog or conversation to go with it? Otherwise someone is just spouting vitriol into an echo chamber.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz

      I don't know what you mean. I am saying it is OK to choose not to dialog with *certain people*, mostly because it increases the chances of productive dialog.

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    3. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Sorry. It's admittedly a loaded question based on witnessing a previous interaction with your coauthor. My point is that if [the royal] you begins statements that are, in fact, literal examples of 1-4, it should be expected to receive one or all of them in return.

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    4. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz @HPluckrose

      While I agree it's not exactly fair to you (or James), by both signing it, you're basically suggesting it's ok when you do it but others should just get a clue. That's not really how conversations work. Or at least how they shouldn't.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz

      What do you mean? We absolutely defend anyone's right to decline to engage with us for any reason they choose. You'll not find us claiming they're not true defenders of free speech if they're not interested in topic or dislike our tone or think someone else makes the case better.

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    6. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I mean it shouldn't be surprising when one receive these types of responses in the first place if [the royal] you makes the same kind of statements.

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    7. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz @HPluckrose

      Let's unpack it a bit further. What is the goal of the article? Is it an effort to foster better conversations, or simply making a car to justify how you ignore specific responses? The latter seems a bit superfluous.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz

      It's an argument for a better understanding of the freedom bit of freedom of speech and the marketplace of the marketplace of ideas. I don't think I can explain the thesis any better in tweets than I did in the essay.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @jonbmetz

      If you don't find the argument compelling, I have failed to sell it to you in the marketplace of ideas and you remain free to reject it for any reason. I could not reasonably argue that you deny free speech coz you're not engaging with the argument. That is the point.

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    10. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Ok. Oddly the irony of you not making the thesis clear enough to me because I thought it was about something different proving your point in a way not withstanding. 🤭

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz

      It's beyond my capabilities to make an argument any clearer than that. We stated the thesis, defined terms, identified two misconceptions & then went into detail about why they were with analogies to clarify. You can, of course, reject on lack of clarity but that's all I've got.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jonbmetz

          You are the buyer and you can reject my product and pick another which argues something different or makes the same argument better. If enough people do this, we lose in the marketplace of ideas to something else and that's how it should be.

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