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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

      Reasons why someone who is committed to the free exchange of ideas might not be listening to *your* ideas. From: https://areomagazine.com/2018/04/07/freedom-of-speech-and-the-fallacy-of-demanding-to-be-heard/ …pic.twitter.com/yvqBTT1uvE

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    2. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      All very good points. Though it must be suggested that this works both ways. If someone chooses to make inflammatory hyperbolic statements in the first place, any one of these options could be expected to occur in return.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz

      If someone makes inflammatory hyperbolic statements in the first place, others can freely choose not to listen to them without being hypocritical as an advocate of freedom of speech. That is the point here.

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    4. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Technically that's true. But what's the point of freedom of speech if there's no dialog or conversation to go with it? Otherwise someone is just spouting vitriol into an echo chamber.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
      Replying to @jonbmetz

      I don't know what you mean. I am saying it is OK to choose not to dialog with *certain people*, mostly because it increases the chances of productive dialog.

      4:45 AM - 8 May 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jonbmetz

          I don't know how you got from 'It's OK not to waste time on people who make bad arguments, are rude, are unreasonable, are incoherent' to 'Don't have dialog.'

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        2. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Sorry. It's admittedly a loaded question based on witnessing a previous interaction with your coauthor. My point is that if [the royal] you begins statements that are, in fact, literal examples of 1-4, it should be expected to receive one or all of them in return.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
          Replying to @jonbmetz

          Yes. This doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech tho which was the point.

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        4. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Was it? I'm sorry. It looked like a response to how you are justified in not responding to others speech. I'm not being facetious, just how I interpreted your essay.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
          Replying to @jonbmetz

          Me: It's not a denial of FoS to choose not to engage with someone's ideas. It might be coz they're not interested, find topic silly, find you rude or think someone else makes case better. You: *something about reaping what you sow* These seem to be different arguments.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jonbmetz

          I'm arguing that FoS includes freedom from speech. You are saying that the criteria by which we choose who to engage with can also be applied to us. I agree. Apply those criteria to us & decline to engage. Or any other. Ppl can decline to engage with me coz they dislike my name

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        7. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That's absurd. Your name is awesome. 😉

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