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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Stephen Knight

    A thread about how people may not be what they seem. OK, I accept that someone displaying symbols associated with certain values might be insincere for a number of reasons, but I still think we should generally assume that people mean what they say/present.https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/993761807960551425 …

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    Stephen Knight @GSpellchecker
    1. Ok, so a brief thread on the problem of disconnect, labels and laziness. I was at the #DayForFreedom event on Sunday. I spotted a young man with a #MAGA cap & a #Kekistan flag. I decided to go and speak to him (like what journalists used to do)
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        In our climate of tribalism and putting people in political categories based on one idea, ascribing values to them, misrepresenting the values they state and accusations of 'virtue signalling' and nefarious motives, it is more important than ever to be sincere & assume sincerity

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        This carries the risk of being 'trolled' by someone, but assuming people actually have some other motive for saying what they say or displaying the symbols they display or that their 'signifier' may or may not be related to the accepted 'signified' makes communication impossible

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        There is the option of asking every person if they mean what they say or are just trolling a certain group or being ironic or making some kind of obscure artistic statement but the logistics of this are unmanageable, it wld be very irritating to the sincere & they cld still lie.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        I don't think doubting people's sincerity when they say something we find objectionable is the way to be charitable & open-minded. This punishes the sincere and leaves the insincere unaccountable. It should be an expectation that people are judge on what they say and do.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        I think this is the way to be charitable.pic.twitter.com/EnjGDeduq7

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        Prioritise the sincere over the insincere. Better to be taken in by a troll than disbelieve a sincere person. On a daily, individual basis. The sincere are the ones who have earned the right to be taken seriously.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        I have been accused of being insincere in several contexts. 1)You're just a free speech grifter, trying to make money. This is motivated by a wish to dismiss my arguments by impugning my motivations and character. It's not good.

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        2) You're obviously a troll. No-one is that stupid. This is motivated by certainty & a wish to dismiss ideas that threaten it. 3) You're not really an atheist/liberal. You're too nice/reasonable. This is motivated by a wish to keep associations stable & find me acceptable.

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      10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 8

        None of those are good. None of those cases of assuming me insincere led to productive conversation & better understanding. Worst case scenario if you mistakenly assume a troll to be sincere is that they will laugh at having 'triggered' you. This reflects badly on them, not you

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      2. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This isn't a million miles away from the approach that @danieldennett ascribes to Anatol Rapoport's rules for criticising others.pic.twitter.com/nlqYsTUZdO

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      3. Dan Knapp‏ @sirknapp May 8
        Replying to @sirknapp @HPluckrose @danieldennett

        I've always thought it was a lovely way to approach people with a different opinion to yourself. It demands empathy, an open mind, and a willingness to be wrong/learn.pic.twitter.com/lFALD6WGEP

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      1. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You wouldn’t catch me with an antifa flag to ‘trigger the alt-right’ or a MAGA hat to ‘trigger the libs’ because it’s immature and I don’t want to be sneered at (or worse!) in the street.

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      1. David Whyte‏ @Soulstorm99 May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I feel kinda sorry for folk of all ideologies who so need to identify which 'tribe' they belong to. I feel a lot of younger folk in particular really struggle with a sense of 'self' and this is the result.

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      1. Grhoda‏ @thwartypants May 8
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Especially since "it's just a joke" is their most used bad faith excuse.

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