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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @HPluckrose @benshapiro

      Second, you speak of the Enlightenment bringing forth science, mathematics, etc., without acknowledging that much of these breakthroughs occurred in India, i.e., gravitational force, planet rotation, etc. 5.

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    2. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @HPluckrose @benshapiro

      Upon discovering the writings of the Indian intelligentsia, James Mill, disregarded as nonsense. Due to his perceived views of Indian inferiority 6.

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    3. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @HPluckrose @benshapiro

      India also invented the decimal system, of which we all used, appropriated by Europeans as a discovery all of their own. It’s also important to recognize Arab and Iranian achievement in the math and sciences as well 7.

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    4. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @HPluckrose @benshapiro

      When you talk of the enlightenment brining democracy, that’s also not necessarily true. You can go as far back as A.D. 400, where Muslims in India engaged in open discussions of how to Best govern. Same has occurred in Africa, and certain Arab communities as well 8.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @benshapiro

      That doesn't make any difference to the argument. Nor did I say it wasn't. Nor could an argument about intellectual history in the rest of the world fit in there thematically.

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    6. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @benshapiro

      It’s very relevant. You writing on modernity as if it’s just a western invention. Misleading

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @benshapiro

      That's silly. There are people who believe in secular, liberal democracy, science, reason and liberty everywhere. This just isn't the point of the essay. The Enlightenment was something that brought all this together here and it is here we want to retain it.

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    8. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @benshapiro

      You say “reason” like we’re beings of reason. That’s like saying we’re beings of happiness. We may idealize the notion of reason, but there are times that we are not. And this isn’t just a function of tribal identity.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
      Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @benshapiro

      No, I don't. You keep reading things into my words that aren't there. You're not hearing me. I spoke about reason here:https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ …

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @benshapiro

          I have to go spend time with my daughter before bed. Nice talking to you.

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        3. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @benshapiro

          I’m not reading things into your words. But the implication of listing “reason” suggests that were are Cognitive Angels, of sorts—able to achieve perfect rational agency. And it was nice chatting with you, too.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
          Replying to @MX_Mollenthiel @benshapiro

          No, it is something we have to work at collectively utilising viewpoint diversity. The last thing I sent you explains this.

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        5. Max‏ @MX_Mollenthiel May 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @benshapiro

          We can aspire to be rational, same way as one may aspire for complete happiness. But just as in happiness, one can’t always be rational. It contrains us into, ironically, an idea of what we think a rational agent is suppose to be. Which takes away agency, and choice

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