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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Kate #PeoplesVote

    But smooshing all of those together is the problem. This would include not being able to say 'its OK to be gay' and not being able to say 'Let's go round up the Jews. We're meeting at 6.' These are very different things. Inciting hatred is too subjective & impossible to measurehttps://twitter.com/KateTheSaboteur/status/993407228819406848 …

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    Kate #PeoplesVote @KateTheSaboteur
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    I am arguing the right to freedom of speech should not include the right to be offensive or incite hatred and violence. That is different to freedom of speech including the right to offend.
    1:32 AM - 7 May 2018
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      2. Paolo G. Giarrusso‏ @Blaisorblade May 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I usually like your tweets, so it troubles me to see you criticize European justice using US-only concepts. Not an expert on the UK but Europe’s law on this is pretty different and (try to) balance both concerns.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
        Replying to @Blaisorblade

        Huh? I am not talking about what laws are in various countries. I am talking about the liberal principle of freedom of speech.

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      4. Paolo G. Giarrusso‏ @Blaisorblade May 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You also said “inciting hatred is too subjective”when European courts seem to manage. And no, you’re talking about the US-only concept of freedom of speech without any consideration of other effects. We European use “freedom of speech” differently, inside and outside law.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
        Replying to @Blaisorblade

        No, I'm not. Americans (not all, obviously) have a tendency to conflate the principle of freedom of speech with their 1st Amendment. I say this about it. (First two are from a recent essay. Last two are standalone points made for Twitter)pic.twitter.com/MfomLSMdAt

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      2. Kate #PeoplesVote‏ @KateTheSaboteur May 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I thought you were bored with this conversation? You don't really seem to be engaging with what I am saying so I'm going to go and enjoy my bank holiday.pic.twitter.com/g6jElBBClR

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 7
        Replying to @KateTheSaboteur

        I don't want to go over the basic principles under dispute again, no. There is much to read on this if you are new to the debate. Not being condescending. I am currently new to many disputes but not this one so it gets tedious to keep setting out what it is.

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      1. Niels Roode‏ @njroode May 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Would you move the ‘border’ of free speech closer to mere incitred to violence, Helen?

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      1. Zaelkrie  🇿🇦‏ @thegothking May 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Defining inciting hatred seems to a subjective and foolhardy effort keeping it to stopping the incitement of violence is much more simple.

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      2. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        FWIW, i measure how speech can limit another's ability to live a normal life. Simply saying men are evil is not hate speech, for example (to me). Telling me I must relinquish some perceived ability beyond my control is, however.

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      3. Bork Bork Bork Bork‏ @jonbmetz May 7
        Replying to @jonbmetz @HPluckrose

        And OT, but I love the dichotomy of using "smooshing" within the confines of serious debate.

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