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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5

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    Absolutely determined to be offended. I challenge any reasonable person to read this & conclude that I have a problem with fat people and people with mental illness. https://twitter.com/zoupmachine/status/992893213471072257 …

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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5

        This is what makes me so angry with this kind of activism. I would be praised & admired for celebrating my obesity & my OCD and positively encouraged to take them both on as identities but if I acknowledge them as problems to be overcome, I'm suddenly fatphobic & ableist.

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      2. Jane Williams‏ @janewilliams141 May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You don't mention that it's extremely rare for obese people to lose weight long-term via diet/exercise. What is a life of striving for something likely medically unachievable? It sounds like a set-up for self-loathing. Eat well, exercise, accept.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5
        Replying to @janewilliams141

        That's the only way they do lose it. It's not medically unachievable. Obesity is only an epidemic in countries where there is easy access to high calorie food. I'm not sure there is a difference between dieting & eating well. They should be the same thing. I'm not accepting this

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      4. Jane Williams‏ @janewilliams141 May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I didn't mean you had to accept, you do you. Just that for many, a happy life lived fat is likely preferable to a life of self-loathing, which seems to be outcome of unfulfilled striving. To me dieting is restricting, eating well is just that.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5
        Replying to @janewilliams141

        That could be the problem then. If you eat well and not too much, you will lose weight. If you follow diets which make you feel deprived and restrictive, that will be hard to stick to. I lost 130lbs in the year after I came off these meds last time by eating well & not too much.

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      6. Jane Williams‏ @janewilliams141 May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Are you giving me advice? I'm not trying to lose weight. I am responding to the piece you linked to about acceptance being dangerous, suggesting that there is more than one way of living a good life.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5
        Replying to @janewilliams141

        Not you specifically. But seeing a diet as something you do to lose weight rather than a change of diet which will fix an obesity problem generally.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose @janewilliams141

        And the second bit entirely depends on your understanding of 'good.' My father decided a good life was one where he drank more than recommended and smoked and was probably going to be quite a bit shorter than if he didn't. Of course, people can make the same choice re food.

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      2. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        > It simply renders it no business of anyone’s but the woman’s, her doctor, and any people she has granted the right to raise personal issues with. What do you say to those who argue it's a "public health" issue due to universal healthcare and alleged strain on the system?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 5
        Replying to @kareem_sabri

        It is a public health issue due to universal healthcare & strain on the system. This doesn't mean any individual's weight is public property.

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      4. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Hmm yeah fair. Obviously agree obesity can be tackled at societal level, in so far as gov't should be involved in health (not sure how much). But these people seem to use health concerns as a reason to shit on fat people. It seems like they just don't like them.

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      1. Terry Varga Φ‏ @MacBitseach May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Being offended is now being used as a way to censor people from speaking views with which one doesn't agree, as if the silencing of opposing views changes minds on the subject.

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      2. Battle Chef Slugcat‏ @zoupmachine May 5
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I am a reasonable person and I disagree with the way you present some of your ideas. I am not the most enlightened person ever, though. None of us are. I DMed you a little bit more info, which you can choose to read or not.

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      3. Nicomachus‏ @ShakesMcQueen May 5
        Replying to @zoupmachine @HPluckrose

        Maybe if you’d led off with a measured statement like this, instead of immediately accusing her of “shaming” anyone and everyone, “fat phobia”, and stuff like “holy shit ableism”, the conversation might not have gone sideways. Real conversation and learning requires generosity.

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