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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 4

    We need to be clear what is meant when someone says 'incels.' Are we talking abt individuals who get together online & plan & celebrate violence against women? If so, of course, we must regard them as dangerous ideologically-motivated criminals/potential criminals/collaborators

    11:54 AM - 4 May 2018
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 4

        Are we talking about groups of misogynists who post hateful messages about women being evil but do not plan violence? Then we should treat them with the same mixture of pity and contempt as groups of misandrists who do the same thing.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 4

        Are we talking about men who have complex political beliefs about societies being gynocentric and women being shallow & only interested in certain men? Treat them with the same open-minded skepticism as those who talk about patriarchy, beauty myths, objectification & fatphobia

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 4

        Are we talking about all men who are involuntarily celibate? Treat them and women in the same position with sympathy and supportiveness if they seek it, with dignity & minding your own business if they don't.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 4

        What is essential is not conflating all of these individuals into greater or lesser manifestations of the same thing as is so commonly seen now and instead saying precisely what you mean.

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      1. Spooky Mog  🎃‏ @BraveEpoch May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This needed to be said, sadly.

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      1. dat bluegrass boi [blue checkmark]‏ @kenTECHky May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Good thread. A lot of variations and possibilities covered.

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      2. brett caton‏ @bcaton2 May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Since it has been used as an insult - like "retard" - for many years, & was applied in a gender neutral way & to lesbians - I'd say the recent media demonisation of the bottom tier of males is very deliberate. They love whipping up hate-mobs.

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      3. Douglas_Barnes‏ @Douglas_Barnes May 6
        Replying to @bcaton2 @HPluckrose

        Have enough compassion to see it from their perspective. It sells ad impressions.

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      2. Gareth Hart‏ @tgheretford May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        At this point, its any man who is below that of men succeeding in the dating market and men in relationships. The term 'incel' has become diluted to include men's rights activists, gamers, the socially isolated, outcasts, eccentrics, men who don't want a partner and so forth.

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      3. Douglas_Barnes‏ @Douglas_Barnes May 6
        Replying to @tgheretford @HPluckrose

        I’ve seen the "and so forth" in the form of an attack on a married man with children. "Nazi" is passé. Incel is the in insult.

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      2. JT  🎃 🕷 🔪‏ @JTJrJr2 May 4
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Somebody pointed this out but the two incels who killed people didn’t have any friends, so that’s something to consider.

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      3. Septeus7‏ @Septeus7 May 4
        Replying to @JTJrJr2 @HPluckrose

        That's the main thing to consider see @AydinPaladin fully referenced video on how isolation drives you insane and destroys empathy.

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